Tethys | 1 Mar 2007 10:25
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Re: Is this right? (Permissions question)


Adrian McMenamin writes:

>It was created as 755 but as I wanted users to be able to write files to
>it but not to do anything naughty like upload a file that pretended to
>be an image and then execute it I changed it to 766 but then found I
>could not actually cd to it - is that right?

Correct. You need execute permission to be able to CD to a directory.

>Presumably the safe way to do this is to change ownership to www-data
>and make it 700?

That'd probably work (assuming your web server is running as the
www-data user). Or you could have that directory as a separate
filesystem, and mount it noexec.

Tet

PS. Didn't you ask this same question a couple of months ago?
    Or am I just having a case as deja vu?
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- Tethys | 1 Mar 2007 10:34
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Re: Is this right? (Permissions question)

On 3/1/07, Tethys <sta296 <at> astradyne.co.uk> wrote:

> PS. Didn't you ask this same question a couple of months ago?
>     Or am I just having a case as deja vu?

Or, as it turns out, my ISPs mailbox had been storing mail at random,
and not giving it to me. I've just got a whole backlog of mail from
December.

I really must get around to taking control of my own MX sooner rather
than later...

Tet
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Stuart Children | 1 Mar 2007 11:32
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Re: Be-There


Russell Howe wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:38PM +0000, Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote:
>> A friend of mine is looking at moving from Bulldog to "BE-There".  Has
>> anyone used this?  Any good?

I use them at home; the "unlimited" service. Speeds are as advertised. 
I've not noticed any problems with connection downtime/contention/etc. 
Though I'm not a particularly heavy user, when I do download something 
large it zips along, and I have no interactivity problems with online 
games and the like.

You have to use their kit which some people here might not like/find 
wasteful, but it does everything I need. Initial setup was quick and 
painless. I've not had any need to contact them since, so can't really 
judge their customer service. They take my money regularly without issue. :)

>> Why wouldn't everyone use it, if it's
>> really very very fast and very very cheap?

They're only available on a few exchanges.

> Last I checked with them, you could get a static address,

Yes, but for a hefty surcharge (£4/month IIRC?).

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Cillian de Roiste | 1 Mar 2007 11:40
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Re: Be-There

I'm a happy be-there customer for about a year now. I have heard some complaints about their router slowing down because it overheats and that their dns servers are slow (both of which are fixable issues) but apart from that the service is fine. They had some down time during the first couple of months I was with them, or at least they sent a few emails saying there may be disruptions, but it never effected me and they were good at giving notice. This also hasn't happened over the last 6 months or so. It's certainly a nice option for Linux folks to get a modem-router instead of a dodgy usb modem but lots of providers do this now, and it's not expensive to buy one anyway.
You may still be able to get special offer keys off some sites online that make it a little cheaper and if you were recommended by someone (hint hint) they might get a month free or something. I was also impressed that their site says specifically that their service works with Linux.

Feel free to contact me directly if there's anything in particular you want to ask.

Cheers,
Cillian

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Christopher Mocock | 1 Mar 2007 11:57
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Re: Be-There

Stephen Nelson-Smith wrote:
> Hello all.
> 
> A friend of mine is looking at moving from Bulldog to "BE-There".  Has
> anyone used this?  Any good?  Why wouldn't everyone use it, if it's
> really very very fast and very very cheap?
> 
> S.

We use them here at work and have had lots of problems but after much
investigation, we think it's an environmental problem exascerbated by
the fact that we're quite far from the exchange.

Tech support is good if you manage to get hold of the phone number for
the guys in the UK but that may only be for business customers.
Otherwise it's a foreign call centre.

The free router is a rather crappy Speedtouch but it does the basics. I
believe the technology is ADSL2+ so you can always get a better one if
required.

Chris
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Anthony Newman | 1 Mar 2007 12:52

Re: Be-There

Christopher Mocock wrote:
> 
> The free router is a rather crappy Speedtouch but it does the basics. I
> believe the technology is ADSL2+ so you can always get a better one if
> required.

The current version of their service doesn't use PPPoA; it's more like 
routed Ethernet, thus gaining you precious bits of bandwidth at the cost 
of not being able to use any old CPE. As it goes, I've found the device 
to be functional and stable.

Word on the street is that there is a PPPoA-type service on the way, 
which will enable you to have a laggier and slower service more akin to 
"ADSL-1", with wider hardware compatibility.

Ant

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Benjamin Donnachie | 1 Mar 2007 13:04
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Re: Be-There

John Winters wrote:
>> A friend of mine is looking at moving from Bulldog to "BE-There".
> Well, I suspect you've put your finger on it right there.  I know
> nothing about BE-There but the thing about these services tends to be
> that with the "cheap" attribute comes the "crap" attribute.

They'd have to be pretty terrible to be worse than Bulldog!  I won't
touch them with a very long barge pole these days...

Ben
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Andrew Farnsworth | 1 Mar 2007 13:17
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Re: Be-There

On Don Mar  1 12:04 , Benjamin Donnachie  sent:

>John Winters wrote:
>>> A friend of mine is looking at moving from Bulldog to "BE-There".
>> Well, I suspect you've put your finger on it right there.  I know
>> nothing about BE-There but the thing about these services tends to be
>> that with the "cheap" attribute comes the "crap" attribute.
>
>They'd have to be pretty terrible to be worse than Bulldog!  I won't
>touch them with a very long barge pole these days...
>
>Ben

I'll have to second this.  I still shudder when I remember the Bulldog tech
saying "I get Unknown host when I try 'ping http://.....'".  Needless to say I
talked to a manager immediately and then immediately called Zen to transfer my
service.  Note that Zen is not cheap but their tech support people know what they
are talking about.

Andy
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Stephen Nelson-Smith | 1 Mar 2007 13:46
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Re: Be-There

On 3/1/07, Andrew Farnsworth <farnsaw <at> stonedoor.com> wrote:

> Note that Zen is not cheap but their tech support people know what they
> are talking about.

Indeed - I was very happy with Zen.  I currently am (not through my
own choice) using Ezeedlsl - the ones that allegedly poached business
from Biscit/v21 when they had a disagreement with Netservices.  I'm
not especially happy - tech support is very slow and poor, and they
seem to be filtering MX requests such that I can't run my own SMTP
server.

I'd gladly migrate to Zen (or someone else), but seem to recall there
being problems with MAC keys, and the need to suffer significant
downtime if I cancelled and resubscribed with another provider.

> Andy

S.
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Tushar | 1 Mar 2007 21:22
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Lonix - London Linux User Group (March 2007)

Hi ,

Here are the details of the next meeting for Lonix,

Date:  Wednesday 7 Mar 2007 
Time:  6.00pm onwards
Place: The Glasshouse, 55 Brewer Street, Soho, London, W1F 9UJ
Map: http://tinyurl.com/q5n73 
Nearest Tube:  Piccadilly Circus 
Phone: 07980 224772

1. Lonix Meeting Wed 7th March 2007
2. UKUUG Spring 2007 'Kerberos' Tutorial & 'Virtualisation' Conference
3. Novell Roadshow - London Tuesday 6th March 2007

This month's meeting is back in the centre of town at one of our usual haunts, the Glasshouse pub on Brewer
Street. There'll be some giveaways this month from Sybase, tshirts, mugs, software and bits and pieces. 

Drinks here are cheap, less than 2 quid a pint for the special, and for london that aint half bad. 

Meeting starting at 5.30-6.00pm in the Glasshouse, we will be downstairs in the cellar with the bats. This
month we'll be staying till about 9.30 before heading around the corner for a curry. After which we'll be
heading to Nothing but Blues on Kingly street for some live music til about 1am. 

All usual discussions relating to life, beer, work and music. We'll be having a short quiz during the
evening with special prizes for the winning team.
Wooooooooo! If you're new then look out for the Lonix tshirts. 

Hope to see you there,

Tushar

UKUUG Spring 2007 'Kerberos' Tutorial & 'Virtualisation' Conference
Manchester Conference Centre
19th - 21st March 2007
http://www.ukuug.org/events/spring2007

Half-day tutorial on: Kerberos - by Simon Wilkinson

(just 3 places left on this tutorial! - book now to secure your place!)

2 day Conference theme: Virtualisation

* Xensource by Ian Pratt and others
* Solaris Logical Domains & Zones by Sun
* Transitive Technologies
* Google
* An afternoon of Uses and Experiences of virtualisation
& how it solved contributors' problems

AND - We've recently confirmed a talk from Apple on cluster
management of their Xserve systems.

Plus:

* Perl 6 by Jonathon Worthington
* System Configuration by Paul Anderson
* Svk by it's author Chia-Liang Kao
* Secure Filesystems with AFS
* FreeBSD by Poul Henning-Kamp & Robert Watson
-
Full information on talks, speakers, venue, costs etc. is now available together with an on-line booking
form at:

Plus:   Conference dinner, sponsored by Google taking place
on the Tuesday evening (20th March) at Old Trafford.

Come and see it for yourself at the 'Your Linux is ready' road show.

SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 is the next-generation Linux platform from Novell.
>From the desktop to the data center, SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 delivers the
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SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 is ready to run your most critical applications and
make your business users more productive on their PCs. It is tightly
integrated with Novell's cross-platform for systems management, identity
management, and collaboration.

At this road show you will hear from strategic sponsoring partners, IBM and
AMD who will deliver keynote presentations around their view on SUSE Linux
and how it plays a major part in today's businesses, followed by an
afternoon
session that will highlight the seamless integration of Novell???s systems and
resource management solutions for the enterprise.

How to manage a virtual environment combining VMware, Xen and Microsoft
How to manage servers and desktops that run Linux and Windows
How to secure compliance of your software usage with your licence contracts
How to deploy patches easily in a multi-vendor context
How to increase security across all your systems and ensure compliance

It is also the only Linux platform recommended by Microsoft. See:
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Dates:

6th Mar - London
8th Mar - Bracknell
14th Mar - Edinburgh
22nd Mar - Leeds
27th Mar - Dublin

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