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john levin | 1 May 2006 02:49
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Re: Request for Help with Community Project - Installing and Supporting Edubuntu (Linux) in Youth Centre

Alex McMahon wrote:
> Hello, 
> 
> Please forgive me if it is poor etiquette to use this mailing list for requests for help, but it was
suggested that someone on the list might be able to help with a community based project I am working on.
> 
> I am working as part of a group who are setting up an 'internet room' in Putney Vale Youth Centre (London). We
have 5 computers which we will be installing Edubuntu onto. However we are concerned that without a small
amount of ongoing support the computers will gradually become outdated, degrade or stop working. We have
a minimal level of funding, which we are considering using to pay for some basic telephone support,
however after ringing around it seems the funds are too minimal to be able to afford any real level of support.
> 
> I am therefore requesting whether anyone here would be able to help the project in anyway. I do not foresee
the required support being particularly high or regular, perhaps just responding to an occasional
telephone call or maybe once a month popping round to update the machines with the latest versions of the
software and fixing any problems that have arisen.  If you can help yourself, or have any suggestions as to
places I could look I would be happy to hear from you. I have included further details of the project below.
> 
> Regards
> Alex McMahon
> 

It would be worth your while subscribing to the ubuntu-uk mailinglist, 
for both to physical volunteers and virtual support.
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

HTH

John
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Richard Jones | 1 May 2006 11:51
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Re: OT: HP Officejet 5610

On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 07:53:54PM +0100, Mick Farmer wrote:
> I'm thinking of getting one of these for home.  Any
> experiences, good or bad?

I had an HP Officejet 5510 for a while.  The Mac drivers are strange
and flaky, but worked for printing most of the time.  The scanning
tool on Mac was just plain odd and appeared to suffer from a sysv-shm
memory leak which required the computer to be rebooted periodically.
We never really got it to work successfully on Linux, although it is
allegedly possible, and I did have an earlier HP OJ working through
Linux.

The machine itself is cheaply made, and the supplies are ruinously
expensive.  The printer died after about a year and a half of light
use.

I've just bought a Lexmark C522N colour network laser printer on the
advice of someone on this list, and I'm very happy with it.  (Of
course it's not a scanner or fax machine).

Rich.

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Mark Williams | 1 May 2006 13:22
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Re: re: USA / civil liberties etc

t.clarke wrote:

>On the subject of civil liberties/USA and all that, below is an interesting
>email I received re ID cards !!
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>
> By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would
> be wrong to come to this conclusion. this new card will be used to check
> your identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever
> you present it to 'prove who you are'. Every place that sells alcohol or
> cigarettes, every post office, every pharmacy, and every Bank will have an
> NIR Card Terminal, (very much like the Chip and Pin Readers that are
> everywhere now) into which your card can be 'swiped' to check your
> identity.
> Each time this happens, a record is made at the NIR of the time and place
> that the Card was presented. This means for example, that there will be a
> government record of every time you withdraw more than 99 at your branch
> of Nat West, (who will soon demand ID for these transactions) .
> Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your card will be
> swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off licences will
> demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that they sold
> alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the access to the
> NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.
>  
>
I wonder how long it is since I had to prove I'm over 18? My kids don't 
often get asked, indeed the 16 year never has been & it's not like he 
never buys beer or wine... If I withdraw >£99, I do so from the ATM. It
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Christopher Hunter | 1 May 2006 13:45
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Re: re: USA / civil liberties etc

On Monday 01 May 2006 12:22, Mark Williams wrote:

> I wonder how long it is since I had to prove I'm over 18? My kids don't
> often get asked, indeed the 16 year never has been & it's not like he
> never buys beer or wine...

The shopkeeper selling him the alcohol is at significant risk of serious fines 
- there are now "sting operations" testing shops with youngsters (in the pay 
of the Police) and prosecuting any infractions.

> If I withdraw >£99, I do so from the ATM. It 
> has no need nor facility for a 2nd card.

You won't be using any "second card", as eventually you'll use your "ID" card 
in the ATM - there will be law passed to only allow the "ID" card for all 
financial transactions - the credit and debit cards you presently have will 
be withdrawn.  This gives the "government" complete record of practically 
everything you do!  Another aim of the "ID" card project is the "cashless 
society"....

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Alain Williams | 1 May 2006 13:49
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Re: re: USA / civil liberties etc

On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Christopher Hunter wrote:

> You won't be using any "second card", as eventually you'll use your "ID" card 
> in the ATM - there will be law passed to only allow the "ID" card for all 
> financial transactions - the credit and debit cards you presently have will 
> be withdrawn.  This gives the "government" complete record of practically 
> everything you do!  Another aim of the "ID" card project is the "cashless 
> society"....

I want an ID card - but one that I own & control.
I want to combine the various cards that I have onto one.
I want to be able to plug my card into MY PC & view what is on the card,
add/remove functions.
I want to be able to audit every transaction that my card has made.
I want to be able to control what information my card gives out & to who it gives it.

I don't want one given to me by our totalitarian minded government that I have no
control over.

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Martin A. Brooks | 1 May 2006 14:14
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Re: re: USA / civil liberties etc

Alain Williams wrote:
> I don't want one given to me by our totalitarian minded government that I have no
> control over.

I'm actually broadly in favour of the ID card as a replacement for all 
the bits of paper I'm currently required to carry around when, for 
example, traveling abroad.  Specifically, a combined passport and 
driving licence but also incorporating other "goverment issued" ID 
tokens, the NI card for example.

One key thing that people don't seem to get is that the ID is _not_ for 
_you_ to prove who you are. You can prove who you are as you can provide 
finger prints etc which will match those that are on file.

The point of the card is to stop every agent checking your ID having to 
refer to the central database each and every time.  Your ID is, 
effectively, an authenticated excerpt from the database that you carry 
around with you.

The fundamental flaw here is that these cards, as with every other form 
of ID every created, will be faked.

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John G Walker | 1 May 2006 14:22
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Re[2]: re: USA / civil liberties etc

Monday, May 1, 2006, 12:45:10 PM, Christopher Hunter wrote:

> You won't be using any "second card", as eventually you'll use your "ID" card
> in the ATM - there will be law passed to only allow the "ID" card for all
> financial transactions - the credit and debit cards you presently have will
> be withdrawn.  This gives the "government" complete record of practically
> everything you do!  Another aim of the "ID" card project is the "cashless
> society"....

Are you saying that the government is going to effectively nationalise
credit and debit cards? Where is your evidence for this?

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Karanbir Singh | 1 May 2006 14:31

OT: number porting between the same network

I have a pay monthly contracted Vodafone price plan at the moment.

CarphoneWarehouse have a deal that I want, also on the vodafone network.

Now my question is, can I take a PAC code from Vodafone and give it to
CarphoneWarehouse/Vodafone to retain my number as I move to the new deal
? Carphone warehouse seems to say yes, Vodafone seems to say No.

Vodafone's reasoning seems to be : need to switch networks in order to
use a PAC and retain number.

Now, who knows enough about whats going on here ? And should I or should
I not save £250 a year by moving to the new deal from Carphone
Warehouse... for exactly the same phone and price plan, but with a bunch
of half price line rental for a few months.

I know some of you have seen this issue raised elsewhere (!grin!), but i
need to get this resolved by Tuesday sometime....

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John G Walker | 1 May 2006 14:33
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Re[2]: re: USA / civil liberties etc

Monday, May 1, 2006, 1:22:01 PM, Christopher Hunter wrote:

> On Monday 01 May 2006 12:51, John G Walker wrote:

>> Are you saying that the government is going to effectively nationalise
>> credit and debit cards? Where is your evidence for this?

> A check of Labour (and "New Labour") manifestos since their inception shows
> that one of their fundamental aims is nationalisation of the banking
> industry, though it's concealed carefully amidst the other bluster. 

> Even if they don't nationalise the banks, they can still demand the use of the
> "ID" card for all transactions.  This is written into the Act.

> Chris

ROTFLMAO!
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Mark Williams | 1 May 2006 14:39
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Re: re: USA / civil liberties etc

Christopher Hunter wrote:

>On Monday 01 May 2006 12:22, Mark Williams wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I wonder how long it is since I had to prove I'm over 18? My kids don't
>>often get asked, indeed the 16 year never has been & it's not like he
>>never buys beer or wine...
>>    
>>
>
>The shopkeeper selling him the alcohol is at significant risk of serious fines 
>- there are now "sting operations" testing shops with youngsters (in the pay 
>of the Police) and prosecuting any infractions.
>
>  
>
Yes, but, the point here was that _I_ haven't been asked for proof of 
age in GOK how many years - probably single figure ocasions _ever_ - so 
this isn't quite the threat it may sound. I wasn't actually losing sleep 
over shopkeepers being bad & naughty.

>>If I withdraw >£99, I do so from the ATM. It 
>>has no need nor facility for a 2nd card.
>>    
>>
>
>You won't be using any "second card", as eventually you'll use your "ID" card 
>in the ATM - there will be law passed to only allow the "ID" card for all
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