Re: OpenOffice.org Bloatware?

Leo Mauler wrote:

> 
>Oh great.  Any FOSS CD with OpenOffice.org on it would
>need a non-FOSS Java installer on it too for a lot of
>things (and I presume that Java has restrictive
>redistribution licensing...):
>  
>
My new Kubuntu installation uses a JRE from the Free Software Foundation 
in OOo.  I'm pretty sure that would not be license encumbered.  I'll 
check the Windows version tomorrow to see what it uses.  Don't most 
people already have a JRE already?  Talk about bloatware.  I hope that 
this FSF version is better.

Peace,
Jim

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Re: OpenOffice.org Bloatware?

--- Jim Herrmann wrote:

> Leo Mauler wrote:
> 
> > 
> >Oh great.  Any FOSS CD with OpenOffice.org on it
> would
> >need a non-FOSS Java installer on it too for a lot
> of
> >things (and I presume that Java has restrictive
> >redistribution licensing...):
> >  
> >
> My new Kubuntu installation uses a JRE from the Free
> Software Foundation 
> in OOo.  I'm pretty sure that would not be license
> encumbered.

I don't know why people are so concerned about Java,
or surprised to find java code in Openoffice. It's
sort of like being upset when someon includes PHP in a
php
shoppingcart application. Openoffice was written by
Java coders from Sun, people tend to reuse code
they've written for other application when writing new
ones. I also have never seen anything so restricvtive
in Java licensing. Sure it's not as open as GPL, so
what? There are GPL Java RE versions out there. Use
one of them if you are so against Java licensing.
Only, be aware these are not as well supported and

Re: OpenOffice.org Bloatware?

Leo Mauler wrote:

>--- Jason Clinton <me@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Saturday 29 October 2005 12:36 pm, Leo Mauler
>>wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Here's a question: just what does OOo use Java
>>>for?  If its something most people don't use, 
>>>then I'd feel better about turning off Java 
>>>(like the article suggests).
>>>
The FSF is working on a version of OpenOffice that uses GCJ instead of 
Suns JVM.  So hopefully there will soon be a fully open version of 
openoffice.
http://www.fsf.org/news/open-office-java.html
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strange bind behavior

I'm running bind 9.2.4-2 on a CentOS 4.0 server. The last week or so I've
noticed some oddities in the logs. Here are some examples

Oct 30 04:32:52 ns1 named[16917]: dispatch 0xb56f3f70: shutting down due to
TCP receive error: connection reset
Oct 30 04:32:52 ns1 named[16917]: dispatch 0xb5b3ef18: shutting down due to
TCP receive error: connection reset
Oct 30 04:32:52 ns1 named[16917]: dispatch 0xb5b3ef18: shutting down due to
TCP receive error: connection reset
Oct 30 04:32:52 ns1 named[16917]: dispatch 0xb56f3f70: shutting down due to
TCP receive error: connection reset

The frequency of this fluctuates considerably, between 2 and 200 times a
day. I'm concerned that someone may be utilizing an exploit that hasn't been
released/announced to the public. Can anyone help explain what I'm seeing
here? I've dug through the dispatch source, but I don't speak c/c++ so
its greek to me.

Matt

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Re: OpenOffice.org Bloatware?

On Wednesday 02 November 2005 06:13 am, Jack wrote:
> --- Jim Herrmann wrote:
> > Leo Mauler wrote:
> > >Oh great.  Any FOSS CD with OpenOffice.org on it
> >
> > would
> >
> > >need a non-FOSS Java installer on it too for a lot
> >
> > of
> >
> > >things (and I presume that Java has restrictive
> > >redistribution licensing...):
> >
> > My new Kubuntu installation uses a JRE from the Free
> > Software Foundation
> > in OOo.  I'm pretty sure that would not be license
> > encumbered.
>
> I don't know why people are so concerned about Java,
> or surprised to find java code in Openoffice. It's
> sort of like being upset when someon includes PHP in a
> php
> shoppingcart application. Openoffice was written by
> Java coders from Sun, people tend to reuse code
> they've written for other application when writing new
> ones. I also have never seen anything so restricvtive
> in Java licensing. Sure it's not as open as GPL, so
> what? There are GPL Java RE versions out there. Use
> one of them if you are so against Java licensing.

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Re: OpenOffice.org Bloatware?

Yeah, that's what OOo in Kubuntu 5.10 is using.

Chad Phillips wrote:

> The FSF is working on a version of OpenOffice that uses GCJ instead of 
> Suns JVM.  So hopefully there will soon be a fully open version of 
> openoffice.
> http://www.fsf.org/news/open-office-java.html
>
>

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[OT] dynamic resolution web sites

Some of you may remember that some time ago we discussed making websites 
in Flash. At the time I strongly objected and suggested that some day 
SVG would be able to handle the resolution independent rendering which 
Flash offers without all the accessibility problems. Well I'm very 
excited to share that I think that day has finally arrived (or almost 
has).

Firefox 1.5 RC1 was released today and with it comes support for SVG. 
This adds to the list of browsers supporting SVG: Opera and Konqueror 
which is a total of roughly 13% of the browser market. Add to that the 
IE Adobe SVG Plugin for IE6 (85%) and the picture starts to look pretty 
rosy.

I have put up a proof of concept at [1]. Please give it a good work-out. 
It will not work in Konqueror <3.4, Opera <8 or Firefox <1.5. IE 6 
doesn't allow rescaling fonts but it does display the content 
correctly.

[1] <http://jasonclinton.com/calig_test.html>

I strongly feel that this is the future of the web and I'm looking 
forward to playing around with HTML+SVG. Let me know your thoughts!
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Re: [OT] dynamic resolution web sites

On 11/4/05, Jason Dewayne Clinton <me@...> wrote:
> Some of you may remember that some time ago we discussed making websites
> in Flash. At the time I strongly objected and suggested that some day
> SVG would be able to handle the resolution independent rendering which
> Flash offers without all the accessibility problems. Well I'm very
> excited to share that I think that day has finally arrived (or almost
> has).
>
> Firefox 1.5 RC1 was released today and with it comes support for SVG.
> This adds to the list of browsers supporting SVG: Opera and Konqueror
> which is a total of roughly 13% of the browser market. Add to that the
> IE Adobe SVG Plugin for IE6 (85%) and the picture starts to look pretty
> rosy.
>

The example looks really great.  I was pleased to here that Mozilla /
Firefox can support SVG now, and since I've been working with XForms,
I can see the potential the two together have.  I found the following
article that some of you might be interesting.

http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/05/22/svg.html

Jason, what did you use to build the svg file you used in the example?

Josh
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