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Sony Krishna Swamy | 1 Feb 08:24
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Re: Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

Thank you for your reply and the contacts, Jos Collins and Siju George.


Its my ignorance, but in laymans' term the 'Linux Operating System' is what the majority of the people know it by. So I believe its a good brand name to start with the marketing, rather than GNU. (which Malayalees especially would find it hard to pronounce... on the lighter side :-)

I visited joscollin.org also, and there i found the same explanations that you sent by email,  but no where have I found what are the other Kernels of GNU Operating System. To my understanding, RedHat, Suse, Ubuntu, etc are all flavours of Linux? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Is there a more comprehensive site maintained by ilug-cochin?

I have been hearing the same defences about GNU and Free software since college times, but i am yet to see a mass movement to spread the practical use (not just knowledge) of Linux / GNU OS, which, for all business considerations, above all other 'Freedom' definitions, is Free!

Regards,
Sony






On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Jos Collin <ilug-YKy7CSusxrOEi8DpZVb4nw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Hello Sony,

From the mailing-list, you might have come to know how many people are
there to catch you. They are the non-Free Supporters within ILUG-Cochin. I
have given you the right suggestion/path for you, so that you will be
aware of the Free Software movement along with the technical things. Also
I have given you the right people's contact numbers, so that they will
guide you properly, as they are volunteers/contributors. It is your
choice, where you should join. :-)

This email is personal.

All the Best,
Jos Collin

> Dear Linux users,
>
> I am a visiting faculty at various MBA institutes in Kochi, and I am
> disappointed to know that my students have never heard of Linux (or
> anything non-Windows).
>
> I tried encouraging them to install Linux, but the roadblocks they face in
> that one task deflects them away from this great OS.
>
> However, they were comfortable with using Ubuntu Linux, once they see how
> to go about things.
>
> So my question is this: Can we form a group that helps people INSTALL a
> flavour of Linux?
>
> The help could be by email/phone/in person/any remote way one could think
> of.
>
> But im talking of about a 100 students in each institute, connected via a
> wireless network. So, is there a way for network installation?
>
> It is my understanding that this group stands to promote the use of Linux
> OS among people. I believe that students are a base where we can start
> from, so that they can make the change at their workplaces, other
> institutions, when they start a business, at their homes, and so on.
>
> This revolution can have far reaching effects.
>
> Please reply with your comments.
>
> Regards,
> Sony
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Jos Collin | 1 Feb 09:39

Re: Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

> Its my ignorance, but in laymans' term the 'Linux Operating System' is
> what
> the majority of the people know it by. So I believe its a good brand name
> to start with the marketing, rather than GNU. (which Malayalees especially
> would find it hard to pronounce... on the lighter side :-)

As I said before, You can use GNU/Linux also (if you are using Linux as
the Kernel). People are aware of it. But if you do it the other way, then
you are doing/spreading a wrong thing by knowing, right?

> To my understanding, RedHat, Suse, Ubuntu, etc are
> all flavours of Linux? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
No, they are the names of the Free Software Distributions or GNU
Distributions. You could listen to this

http://www.joscollin.org/archive/Free-Software-Speeches/stephen-fry/sf-large.ogv

> Is there a more comprehensive site maintained by ilug-cochin?
The only website of ILUG-Cochin is www.ilug-cochin.org. Also you can visit
the "Links" section in www.ilug-cochin.org

> I have been hearing the same defences about GNU and Free software since
> college times, but i am yet to see a mass movement to spread the practical
> use (not just knowledge) of Linux / GNU OS, which, for all business
> considerations, above all other 'Freedom' definitions, is Free!

You can come to the ILUG-Cochin meeting on 26-2-2012, to know more about
the movement.
http://www.ilug-cochin.org/activities/ilug_cochin_map/
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Aniyan Rajan | 1 Feb 17:11
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> Its my ignorance, but in laymans' term the 'Linux Operating System' is
> what
> the majority of the people know it by. So I believe its a good brand name
> to start with the marketing, rather than GNU. (which Malayalees especially
> would find it hard to pronounce... on the lighter side :-)

As I said before, You can use GNU/Linux also (if you are using Linux as
the Kernel). People are aware of it. But if you do it the other way, then
you are doing/spreading a wrong thing by knowing, right?

I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.

- Ani
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Praseed Pai | 2 Feb 08:16
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>
>
>I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right >people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel >part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which >is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to >do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.
>
I tried calling it GNU/Linux and finally dropped GNU as the followers of GNU movement
are irritatingly assertive about the freedom stuff.
 
The professor has not been able to solve his problem as most people who contribute to this
thread are too much obsessed with nomenclature and licensing issues
 
A solution to the problem is
 
a. Create a VMWARE image or Sun Virtual Box image or XEN image with SPSS on
Debian,Redhat,Ubuntu
 
b. Run the image on Windows or Linux
 
<at> Sony
      Offer some money to people who can do this and your problem might be solved
 
 
 
regards
Praseed Pai
 
P.S :- Reading "Kamasutra" for too long is counter productive. Now it is time to act with
confidence !
 

From: Aniyan Rajan <aniyan.rajan6-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <mailinglist-//UoZZ5d8XvqW5XfOQe81A@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

> Its my ignorance, but in laymans' term the 'Linux Operating System' is
> what
> the majority of the people know it by. So I believe its a good brand name
> to start with the marketing, rather than GNU. (which Malayalees especially
> would find it hard to pronounce... on the lighter side :-)

As I said before, You can use GNU/Linux also (if you are using Linux as
the Kernel). People are aware of it. But if you do it the other way, then
you are doing/spreading a wrong thing by knowing, right?

I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.

- Ani

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Dibu Philip | 2 Feb 17:19
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Re: Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

At last, some useful stuff. Good work Praseed uncle..

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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Praseed Pai <praseedp <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 
>
>
>I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right >people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel >part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which >is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to >do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.
>
I tried calling it GNU/Linux and finally dropped GNU as the followers of GNU movement
are irritatingly assertive about the freedom stuff.
 
The professor has not been able to solve his problem as most people who contribute to this
thread are too much obsessed with nomenclature and licensing issues
 
A solution to the problem is
 
a. Create a VMWARE image or Sun Virtual Box image or XEN image with SPSS on
Debian,Redhat,Ubuntu
 
b. Run the image on Windows or Linux
 
<at> Sony
      Offer some money to people who can do this and your problem might be solved
 
 
 
regards
Praseed Pai
 
P.S :- Reading "Kamasutra" for too long is counter productive. Now it is time to act with
confidence !
 

From: Aniyan Rajan <aniyan.rajan6 <at> gmail.com>
To: "This List discusses GNU/Linux & GNU, GPL Software" <mailinglist <at> ilug-cochin.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 9:41 PM

Subject: Re: [ILUG-Cochin.org] Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

> Its my ignorance, but in laymans' term the 'Linux Operating System' is
> what
> the majority of the people know it by. So I believe its a good brand name
> to start with the marketing, rather than GNU. (which Malayalees especially
> would find it hard to pronounce... on the lighter side :-)

As I said before, You can use GNU/Linux also (if you are using Linux as
the Kernel). People are aware of it. But if you do it the other way, then
you are doing/spreading a wrong thing by knowing, right?

I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.

- Ani

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Thomas Vazhappilly | 3 Feb 07:52

Re: Practicallly reaching Linux to the world

>>I am a visiting faculty at various MBA institutes
>>in Kochi, and I am disappointed
>>to know that my students have never heard
>>of Linux (or anything non-Windows).

Many students and common people are not aware that a GNU/Linux operating system exists which is more comfortable and more user friendly than any other proprietary operating systems. Those already heard (but never used it) about GNU/Linux operating system, think that it is something like a rocket science and it is hard to use, and so they keep away from it.

>>I tried encouraging them to install Linux,
>>but the roadblocks they face in
>>that one task deflects them away from this great OS.

As a matter of fact, challenges are the real thrill when you use this operating system. You may face road blocks, only then you seek and find a short cut which is more beautiful and more creative than the normal highway. Without a roadblock you will never find a beautiful and easier shortcut.

>>However, they were comfortable with using Ubuntu Linux,
>>once they see how to go about things.

Nice to hear that.
After they use and experience what Ubuntu is, try to teach them the philosophy behind "Free Software". There is a big philosophy behind it (which you may already know). Because of that philosophy, Mr. Jos Collin advised to say "GNU/Linux" and not mere "Linux". "Linux" is the kernel inside the "GNU" (Gnu is Not Unix) Operating system. So it should be addressed officially as "GNU/Linux". (And when you talk casually, you may call it anything - GNU or Linux or Ubuntu or Debian etc. that is my personal vision regarding this)

>>So my question is this: Can we form a group that helps
>>people INSTALL a flavour of Linux?
>>
>>The help could be by email/phone/in person/any
>>remote way one could think of.

That's a nice idea. For a personal support you can call any of the phone numbers already given to you in the previous posts. Here I add my mobile number: 7736780769

>>But im talking of about a 100 students in each
>>institute, connected via a wireless
>>network. So, is there a way for network installation?
>>
>>It is my understanding that this group stands
>>to promote the use of Linux OS among people.
>>I believe that students are a base where we can
>>start from, so that they can make the change
>>at their workplaces, other institutions,
>>when they start a business, at their homes, and so on.

Your observation is correct. Let us unite to lead an awareness about Free Software among students.
ILUG Cochin is driven by the philosophy behind Free Software. There are lots of high tech persons / philosophically motivated persons / highly emotional FS evangelists inside the group. ILUG Cochin always stands for 100% free software and it advices to keep away from non-free software.

>>This revolution can have far reaching
>>effects.

My "Green Salute" for the digital revolution
Happy hacking.

--

 
THOMAS M. VAZHAPPILLY
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Praseed Pai <praseedp <at> yahoo.com> wrote:
 
>
>
>I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are giving the credit to the right >people, who worked on the GNU project for a long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel >part) who did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by calling it GNU/Linux, which >is also right. I believe that as the members of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to >do so. Also that distinguishes us from others.
>
I tried calling it GNU/Linux and finally dropped GNU as the followers of GNU movement are irritatingly

So you have changed yourself because of someone's behavior, which is funny. "Irritation" is your own problem and others doesn't have that problem. You are getting irritated because you are trying to impose your thoughts (may be about proprietary software) on the ILUG-Members and no-one is accepting them as they are ethically wrong. However, this activity has a notorious publicity with in the group. :-()
 
assertive about the freedom stuff.

I think that is right. As a member of a Free Software group they should be positive about the freedom stuff, which is the most important in this group.

- Ani
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smart kundassery | 5 Feb 08:58
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Dear Sony,


http://distrowatch.com/ gives a comprehensive list of GNU/Linux distros. A lot of information is given for each of the currently available and newly added distros. Best wishes for your initiative.

regards,
Smart Kundassery.


On 30 January 2012 23:51, Sony Krishna Swamy <sony.krishna.swamy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Linux users,
 
I am a visiting faculty at various MBA institutes in Kochi, and I am disappointed to know that my students have never heard of Linux (or anything non-Windows).
 
I tried encouraging them to install Linux, but the roadblocks they face in that one task deflects them away from this great OS.
 
However, they were comfortable with using Ubuntu Linux, once they see how to go about things.
 
So my question is this: Can we form a group that helps people INSTALL a flavour of Linux?
 
The help could be by email/phone/in person/any remote way one could think of.
 
But im talking of about a 100 students in each institute, connected via a wireless network. So, is there a way for network installation?
 
It is my understanding that this group stands to promote the use of Linux OS among people. I believe that students are a base where we can start from, so that they can make the change at their workplaces, other institutions, when they start a business, at their homes, and so on.
 
This revolution can have far reaching effects.
 
Please reply with your comments.
 
Regards,
Sony
 
 

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Sony Krishna Swamy | 5 Feb 13:29
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Dear group,
 
It is heartening to see so many responses to my query and quest.
 
I have received a couple of contacts as part of the replies. But can the group form a co-ordinated effort for helping in Linux installation and initial training? For eg, there could be an outreach programme to spread awareness at educational institutions, taking up a regular contract for network installations in laptops (yes, they mostly come of the same configuration) at every batch beginning(yes, with a revenue to sustain), and having a single contact number for Linux emergencies (like a call center), which can be handled by group members who know how-to in rotation.
 
At one of the institutes where I teach, bulk Dell laptops arrived from Delhi for a batch of 50, preconfigured with a flavour of Linux kernel (trying to be technically accurate here), but the institute (and there is no IT staff there), could not go about configuring the wireless network, the projector, and didnt know of Open Office. Hence, they sent the whole lot back and got Windows systems instead. Sorry state of affairs, isnt it?
 
I will not be able to attend this month's meeting on the 26th, but hope to attend sometime in the future.
 
Wishing the best.
 
(Mrs) Sony Krishna Swamy


 
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Praseed Pai <praseedp-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

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> >
> >
> >I agree with you, Jos. Also by calling the Operating System "GNU", we are
> giving the credit to the right >people, who worked on the GNU project for a
> long period, instead of giving the credit to some one (Kernel >part) who
> did comparatively very less. At-least, they will get equal mention by
> calling it GNU/Linux, which >is also right. I believe that as the members
> of a Free Software Group (ILUG-Cochin), we are responsible to >do so. Also
> that distinguishes us from others.
> >
> I tried calling it GNU/Linux and finally dropped GNU as the followers of
> GNU movement are irritatingly
>

So you have changed yourself because of someone's behavior, which is funny.
"Irritation" is your own problem and others doesn't have that problem. You
are getting irritated because you are trying to impose your thoughts (may
be about proprietary software) on the ILUG-Members and no-one is accepting
them as they are ethically wrong. However, this activity has a notorious
publicity with in the group. :-()


> assertive about the freedom stuff.
>

I think that is right. As a member of a Free Software group they should be
positive about the freedom stuff, which is the most important in this group.

- Ani
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Sumod K Mohan | 5 Feb 16:48
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Idealism vs Practicality.

Hi all,


Let us end that thread or at least start a new thread for "flame-wars". That is not contributing in any way to helping the poor teacher. Let us leave that thread for the purpose it was created. 

Now that said let me say this much. I have the confession of having been a strong evangelist myself. I learned the hard way the problems with which. One of the most difficult project the free software community had taken was the openmoko project, which was aimed at creating open-hardware and open-software. But having seen it not accomplish the aim, and learning the problems with that model, I think of the whole issue in new light. I respect RMS for the being idealistic, for being the stalwart of free software and corner stone of the movement.  Someone like him is essential to keep the movement going, to inspire all of us. But at the end of the day, both the ideologies are right, one of the need to be extremely-idealistic to inspire others (you wouldn't have the internet without some people being idealistic) and one of being pragmatic at some point to be successful at others (You wouldn't have this laptop/desktop without some people being practical). An interesting anecdote of which was the BIOS issue (BIOS firmware being non-free and proprietary), if any of you remember the same. RMS uses "semi"-laptop because there are no completely free/open source laptop (including BIOS) available on market. How many of us are ready to do something like that, does it even make sense for each of us to do that. Now "that"(freedom in software) is one of the things I care about. There are many other things that I care about, like giving basic education for kids, to inspire some of them follow research etc  and many others outside education, like freedom of speech etc. Now when I draw the line towards being over idealistic in one specific directions, I have to compromise on others or not be successful in any of them. So at the end of the day, it is a personal choice. Now using  the term "GNU/Linux" : I tend to use GNU/Linux whenever possible but don't try to be a word-nazi.  If I feel that, the person don't know about free software, I try to inspire them to it and let them to choose. It might be a good idea to post a thread about what free software is or just point the people to a good link. It is kind of a waste of all our time to repeat the same thing over and again, if any of us is so passionate, sit down and write what you have to and put in on a site or something, so that we can spent the remaining time in contributing effectively to make the free software community stronger. Let us all contribute in code, design or something creative than just thru arguments. The code is mightier than the word. ;)

Happy Hacking, 
-Sumod


On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 2:58 AM, smart kundassery <smart.kb-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Sony,

http://distrowatch.com/ gives a comprehensive list of GNU/Linux distros. A lot of information is given for each of the currently available and newly added distros. Best wishes for your initiative.

regards,
Smart Kundassery.


On 30 January 2012 23:51, Sony Krishna Swamy <sony.krishna.swamy-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Linux users,
 
I am a visiting faculty at various MBA institutes in Kochi, and I am disappointed to know that my students have never heard of Linux (or anything non-Windows).
 
I tried encouraging them to install Linux, but the roadblocks they face in that one task deflects them away from this great OS.
 
However, they were comfortable with using Ubuntu Linux, once they see how to go about things.
 
So my question is this: Can we form a group that helps people INSTALL a flavour of Linux?
 
The help could be by email/phone/in person/any remote way one could think of.
 
But im talking of about a 100 students in each institute, connected via a wireless network. So, is there a way for network installation?
 
It is my understanding that this group stands to promote the use of Linux OS among people. I believe that students are a base where we can start from, so that they can make the change at their workplaces, other institutions, when they start a business, at their homes, and so on.
 
This revolution can have far reaching effects.
 
Please reply with your comments.
 
Regards,
Sony
 
 

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