horst | 2 Feb 23:14 2009
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Re: ls script help


> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:03:57 -0800 (PST)
> From: Neil Parker <nparker <at> lyl.llx.com>
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] ls script help
...> 
> timestamps.  "tar", for example, archives only one-second-resolution
> timestamps, as twelve-characer octal strings...this is mandated by a POSIX
> standard, and for the sake of backward compatibilty is unlikely to change
> anytime soon.
  Ahh -- Octal ! "twelve-characer octal strings".  I used my hex viewer to 
look at a very simple tar file before posting, but couldn't make sence of 
it.
Thanks to both Neil and Bob! -- I found this was a really educational thread.

-----------

Back to Mr. O's original question, and using 'find' at the core of the answer.
I just found a cool web-GUI to build more complex find commands (w/o RTFM):
  http://find.unixpin.com/

Enjoy...............................Horst
Neil Parker | 3 Feb 07:01 2009

Re: ls script help

Horst wrote,
>  Ahh -- Octal ! "twelve-characer octal strings".  I used my hex viewer to 
>look at a very simple tar file before posting, but couldn't make sence of 
>it.

On my system (a full install of Slackware 12.1), I found a description of
the tar format in the file /usr/include/tar.h.  (You might or might not
find this file on other distributions, and it might be necessary to
install some -devel packages to get it...on Slackware it's part of the
glibc package.)

The format described in /usr/include/tar.h appears to be the default
format used by GNU tar.  GNU tar also supports several other historical
tar formats that differ slightly from each other in the size and
formatting of various header fields, but if memory serves, the date/time
format is always a classic UNIX timestamp (a count of seconds since
midnight, January 1, 1970), and most formats store it as a 12-character
octal string.

               - Neil Parker
David Mandel | 3 Feb 10:29 2009

ANNOUNCEMENT: February PLUG Meeting

                            MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT

                       The Portland Linux/Unix Group
                                 will meet
                         7 PM Thursday Feb 5, 2008
                                     at
                         Portland State University
                                   in the
                              Fariborz Maseeh
             College of Engineering & Computer Science Building
                              Room FAB 86-01
                       (This is in the basement.)
          The building is on SW 4th across from SW College Street.
       See location H-10 on map at http://pdxLinux.org/campus_map.jpg

    *******************************************************************

                                PRESENTATION

                         Intro to Digital Forensics
                    (aka Groveling Through File Systems)

                                     by

                                Hal Pomeranz
                            Deer Run Associates

 While it may not be as sexy as they make it look on TV, there are a
 number of powerful Open Source tools available for analyzing file
 systems and recovering data-- even data that may have been deleted by
(Continue reading)

Bob Miller | 3 Feb 19:18 2009

Re: ls script help

Octal!  Indeed.  I can only guess that it's octal because that makes
the conversion to/from binary slightly simpler.  But it's still not
as simple as you think, because the PDP-11 has a 16 bit word,
and it take 5 1/3 digits to store 16 bits.  The 11-digit octal
number would hold 33 bits, so it was probably stored in
memory as a 32 bit number.  Tar may or may not have preceded
the "long int" type in C, which would have hidden that complexity.

I *think* I recall that tar wasn't in 6th Edition Unix.  It was new with
7th Edition.  Or maybe not.

It's really hard for me to imagine the mindset that would specify
an external format based on saving a couple of instructions
reading and writing it.  And I was there at the time.  Tar was
actually an advance over older formats because it used ASCII
instead of binary fields, thus avoiding endian issues.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:14 PM, horst <horsu <at> freeshell.org> wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:03:57 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Neil Parker <nparker <at> lyl.llx.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] ls script help
>
> ...>
>>
>> timestamps.  "tar", for example, archives only one-second-resolution
>> timestamps, as twelve-characer octal strings...this is mandated by a POSIX
>> standard, and for the sake of backward compatibilty is unlikely to change
>> anytime soon.
>
(Continue reading)

Marsee Henon | 4 Feb 18:22 2009
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David Mandel | 4 Feb 22:44 2009

SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: February PLUG Meeting

                           MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT

                      The Portland Linux/Unix Group
                                will meet
                        7 PM Thursday Feb 5, 2008
                                    at
                        Portland State University
                                  in the
                             Fariborz Maseeh
            College of Engineering & Computer Science Building
                             Room FAB 86-01
                      (This is in the basement.)
         The building is on SW 4th across from SW College Street.
      See location H-10 on map at http://pdxLinux.org/campus_map.jpg

   *******************************************************************

                               PRESENTATION

                        Intro to Digital Forensics
                   (aka Groveling Through File Systems)

                                    by

                               Hal Pomeranz
                           Deer Run Associates

 While it may not be as sexy as they make it look on TV, there are a
 number of powerful Open Source tools available for analyzing file
 systems and recovering data-- even data that may have been deleted by
 the attacker. This talk will start with an overview of the standard
 Unix file system architecture and discuss tools for imaging file
 systems, suggest a few useful tools and idioms for finding clues in
 your images, and cover how to discover "interesting" data from deleted
 files and re-assemble that data into an actual file image.

 Hal Pomeranz is the founder and technical lead of Deer Run Associates,
 and has been active in the system and network management/security
 field for over twenty years. As a senior member of the Faculty for the
 SANS Institute, Hal developed the SANS "Step-by-Step" course model and
 currently serves as the track coordinator and primary instructor for
 the SANS/GIAC Linux/Unix Security Certification track (GCUX). In 2001
 he was given the SAGE Outstanding Achievement Award for his teaching
 and leadership in the field of System Administration.

 Note:
   (1)  The slides for the presentation are available at:
        http://www.deer-run.com/~hal/IntroToDigitalForensics.pdf

   (2)  Randal Schwartz will do a live cast of this presentation at:
        http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/25652
        You can follow along if you have a web browser,
        and if you register, you can also participate in the chat,
        and Randal might relay your questions to the speaker.
        The recording of the session will be available afterward
        at the same address.

   *******************************************************************

       Agenda:

           7:00 - 7:30  Business
                We will discuss the status of our ongoing projects
                including PLUG's monthly Advanced Topics meetings,
                PLUG's monthly hands on clinics, PLUG for Education,
                etc.

           7:30 - 8:30  Presentation

                See above

           9:00 - ...  Beer
                               Jax Bar And Restaurant
                               826 SW 2nd Avenue
                               Portland
                               (Note:  Jax is no longer available.
We will discuss where to go - probably back to the Lucky Lab.)

                                       David Mandel
                                       Chief Activist
                                       Portland Linux/Unix Group
                                       560 SE Alexander
                                       Corvallis, Oregon 97333
                                       (541) 730-5285 mobile
                                       dmandel at pdxLinux.org

       P.S.  The Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users Group meets
             every month.  They are currently meeting at 6:00 PM
             on the third Wednesday of the month at the Corvallis
             Chamber of Commerce in Corvallis.
             As of May 2008, the Mid Willamette Valley Linux Users
             Group was under reconstruction.  Once this is done
             see http://www.lug.corvallis.or.us/ for details.

       P.S.  The Eugene Linux Users Group meets several times a month.
             See http://www.euglug.org for details.

======================================================================
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Bob Crandell | 6 Feb 01:02 2009

Looking for AIX support

Hi All,

I am looking for someone to help with Unix AIX version 5 support, and
specifically helping to obtain Sysback version 5 for Unix AIX.

Thanks
Bob Crandell
spencer carter | 7 Feb 12:18 2009

hello all, and a question about WoW....

First off hello to everyone! i would like to thank you all for your help in getting my machine up and runnin.
for those who dont know me, lets jsut say im new to this hahaha
so far i really like ubuntu, im running 8.10 and its great!!!
one huge fall back is that i cannot play world of warcraft right now!!!  i have googled it and tried running the
commands through vine and on terminal, and still no luck, i have tried the method of copying the entire
installer cd onto desktop and then try to run that exe and still no luck. any ideas?
Mr O | 7 Feb 22:07 2009
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Re: hello all, and a question about WoW....

You shouldn't *need* Cedega. From what I've heard WoW works quite well with regular WINE. I tend to only play
FPS games with linux clients. If I had time I'd try to install WoW. Maybe on a meeting sometime.

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Gmail <battleshipterry <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Gmail <battleshipterry <at> gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] hello all, and a question about WoW....
> To: "spencer carter" <spencerc <at> uoregon.edu>, "Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group" <euglug <at> euglug.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 12:42 AM
> You need cedega at transgaming.com  it is a pay service I
> play wow and I got it to work just did not like paying.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
> On Feb 7, 2009, at 3:18 AM, "spencer carter"
> <spencerc <at> uoregon.edu> wrote:
> 
> > First off hello to everyone! i would like to thank you
> all for your help in getting my machine up and runnin. for
> those who dont know me, lets jsut say im new to this hahaha
> > so far i really like ubuntu, im running 8.10 and its
> great!!!
> > one huge fall back is that i cannot play world of
> warcraft right now!!!  i have googled it and tried running
> the commands through vine and on terminal, and still no
> luck, i have tried the method of copying the entire
> installer cd onto desktop and then try to run that exe and
> still no luck. any ideas?
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erock23175 | 8 Feb 00:04 2009
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Speaking of games....

I am a big fan of RTS games. As such I've been kind of assed-out when it comes to finding such games that will run on Ubuntu. Recently I came across a game engine called Spring. It is open-source, and so far freeware. There have been several mods made for it, and supposedly they have gone through the trouble of cobbling together installs for a number of linux varients. What I'd like to know is if any of you have tried it out, and if so what you thought of it.


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