David Sewell | 1 Nov 16:48 2006

Clarification on changes to <date>/<dateRange> in P5?

Hi all,

Sorry to have missed everyone in Victoria. I was just looking at the
latest P5 documentation and see that <dateRange> has been coalesced into
<date>. I have three questions connected with this.

1. Is there a pointer to any documentation on the discussion over the
   changes to content models for datable objects in P5?

2. The updated Guidelines at 6.5.4, "Dates and Times", gives the
   following as an example of coding "to mark a period of time":

      <p>Those five years --
      <date from="1918" to="1923">1918 to 1923</date>
      -- had been, he suspected, somehow very important.</p>

   The P4 guidelines for <dateRange> recommend "yyyy-mm-dd"
   format for  <at> from and  <at> to values. This makes sense to me,
   as a date range is logically a span from one point through
   another point. But in P5 Guidelines this decision is left to
   local practice?

3. Logically when using <date>,  <at> value conflicts with
   the att.datable.attributes attributes, i.e. this
   makes little sense:

   <date value="1776-07-04" from="1776-07" to="1776-08"/>

   but it's allowable under the schema, no? so that
   again it's up to local practice to enforce constraints?
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Syd Bauman | 1 Nov 17:35 2006

Re: Clarification on changes to <date>/<dateRange> in P5?

David --

Yes, I'm sorry you weren't in Victoria, too. 

Your questions are all reasonable, and probably deserve better
treatment than I give them here, but I've got to rush off right now,
so very quickly:

> 1. Is there a pointer to any documentation on the discussion over
>    the changes to content models for datable objects in P5?

Council deliberations are public. See
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/pipermail/tei-council/, in
particular you probably want to look at messages with "<date" in the
subject. 

> 2. The updated Guidelines at 6.5.4, "Dates and Times", gives the
>    following as an example of coding "to mark a period of time":
> 
>       <p>Those five years --
>       <date from="1918" to="1923">1918 to 1923</date>
>       -- had been, he suspected, somehow very important.</p>
> 
>    The P4 guidelines for <dateRange> recommend "yyyy-mm-dd"
>    format for  <at> from and  <at> to values. This makes sense to me,
>    as a date range is logically a span from one point through
>    another point. But in P5 Guidelines this decision is left to
>    local practice?

In all cases (at least all that I can think of off the top of my
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Charles Muller | 2 Nov 06:17 2006
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broken xslt-process on oxford debian sources?

I'd like to make note that xslt-process package listed at

   http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/teideb/

has been generating errors on installation attempts for me in both 
Debian Etch and Unstable for about two weeks now. The error message is 
appended here. If anyone knows of a fix or workaround for this, I'd be 
much indebted. Without this, TEI-Emacs basically doesn't work. -- Chuck

---------------------------------------------
dim5150:/home/chuck# apt-get install xslt-process
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   xslt-process
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 133 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/7268kB of archives.
After unpacking 8888kB of additional disk space will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package xslt-process.
(Reading database ... 94761 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking xslt-process (from .../xslt-process_2.2-1_all.deb) ...
Setting up xslt-process (2.2-1) ...
install/xslt-process: Handling install for emacsen flavor emacs21
Loading 00debian-vars...
Loading 49url (source)...
Loading 50autoconf (source)...
Loading 50cedet-common (source)...
Loading 50css-mode (source)...
Loading 50dictionaries-common (source)...
Loading debian-ispell...
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Lou Burnard | 2 Nov 10:02 2006
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blogging the members meeting

Francophone readers of the list may enjoy the following reports from the 
recent Members Meeting :

http://lespetitescases.net/causeries-sur-la-tei-a-l-autre-bout-du-monde 
et http://lespetitescases.net/victoria-le-canada-et-la-tei-suite-et-fin .

Thanks, Gautier !

Surely there are other bits of TEI out there in the blogosphere?

Sebastian Rahtz | 2 Nov 10:30 2006
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Re: broken xslt-process on oxford debian sources?

Charles Muller wrote:
> I'd like to make note that xslt-process package listed at
>
>   http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/teideb/
>
> has been generating errors on installation attempts for me in both 
> Debian Etch and Unstable for about two weeks now. 

I just installed xslt-process on my Ubuntu Edgy setup, and it worked 
fine. Can anyone else
reproduce Charles' error?

>  Without this, TEI-Emacs basically doesn't work.

I don't think I agree :-}  the package "xslt-process" is simply 
Suggested by tei-emacs,
so it is not a dependency. I personally haven't used xslt-process in 
years.....

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Charles Muller | 2 Nov 14:15 2006
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Re: broken xslt-process on oxford debian sources?

Sebastian Rahtz wrote:

> I don't think I agree :-}  the package "xslt-process" is simply 
> Suggested by tei-emacs,
> so it is not a dependency. I personally haven't used xslt-process in 
> years.....

Maybe there is something wrong with my installation, but whenever I open 
up an XML file with Emacs (whether TEI-Emacs is installed or not), nXML 
mode is automatically invoked, and the error message appears in the 
message buffer:

    File mode specification error:(file-error "Cannot open load file"
    "xslt process")

Does this mean that it is only on my system that xslt-process in 
required for nXML mode to operate? Odd, indeed.

Regarding the installability of xslt-process, just to check one more 
time, I tried doing a fresh Debian Etch install. After the base install, 
I added only Emacs21 and xslt-process, and the same installation error 
appeared. I had an image of my previous install, so it only took me a 
few minutes to return to my original setup, so no big deal. I guess that 
anyone who is running Debian who already has this installed properly 
won't experience problems, but I would be curious to know if anyone else 
can succeed on a new install.

Regards,

Chuck
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Charles Muller | 2 Nov 14:19 2006
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Re: broken xslt-process: solved, apparently

I just installed emacs, tei-emacs, nxml-mode, etc., and reinstalled 
everything. This time xslt-process went through OK. I haven't a clue as 
to why, but I guess that the problem is solved for now.

Sorry for the bother,

Chuck

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Sharon Goetz | 3 Nov 19:51 2006
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Re: blogging the members meeting

Thanks, Gautier, for an interesting read.

I'm halfway through cleaning up my notes, linked from
  http://reqfd.wordpress.com/tei2006/

(As of this morning, the links for Saturday don't yield anything. They
should be "fixed" within the next few days.)

Comments and corrections are welcome.

Cheers,
Sharon

> Date:    Thu, 2 Nov 2006 09:02:20 +0000
> From:    Lou Burnard <lou.burnard <at> COMPUTING-SERVICES.OXFORD.AC.UK>
> Subject: blogging the members meeting
>
> Francophone readers of the list may enjoy the following reports from the
> recent Members Meeting :
>
> http://lespetitescases.net/causeries-sur-la-tei-a-l-autre-bout-du-monde
> et http://lespetitescases.net/victoria-le-canada-et-la-tei-suite-et-fin .
>
> Thanks, Gautier !
>
> Surely there are other bits of TEI out there in the blogosphere?
>

Wendell Piez | 3 Nov 20:48 2006

Re: a TEI Visualizer (fwd)

At 03:09 PM 10/23/2006, Sebastian wrote:
>David J Birnbaum wrote:
>>Note that it is possible to use the Adobe SVG plugin with Firefox 
>>instead of the native Firefox support. Since Adobe supports a 
>>greater subset of SVG features than Firefox (including delcarative 
>>animation), that is often somewhere between helpful and indispensable.
>but this assumes Windows, no? the Adobe plugin isnt available for 
>other platforms, I understand.

Not so. It's always been available for the Mac, Linux (RedHat) and Solaris.

Now might be the time to get your copy:
http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html

Sorry I'm so remiss on keeping up with the list. :-(

Cheers,
Wendell


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