forest | 2 Oct 22:25 2003
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ego-balance


Subject: FW: [naturallifeandhealth] Group Mind, Part 1

hey here's a neat little thing a friend from me email discussion group wrote
and sent that i think says some good things i agree with and don't mind
being reminded of now and then....happy ego-balance and optimisms,
-- 
forest
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From: "Matthew Webb" <wmsociety@...>
Reply-To: naturallifeandhealth@...
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:00:28 -0000
To: naturallifeandhealth@...
Subject: [naturallifeandhealth] Group Mind, Part 1

Group Mind Basics
GM SERIES Part 1

 Anyone who has ever spoken in front of a group of people,
knows that there is a peculiar sensation associated with the
experience. A tightness of the throat often appears, or the
speaker "gets butterflies in their stomach". Just as in the case of
person to person communication, a speaker can feel the focus of
onlookers upon them like a pressure, while giving a speech or
lecture. Effective speakers can reverse this trend by using their
strong feeling or conviction. Through force of will or emotion they
can compel the audience to think and feel as they, thus getting
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*selah* | 3 Oct 10:36 2003

water compost toilet

I'm looking for a US manufacturer of a compost toilet that uses
water like a regular toilet. I found one in Sweden.

Anyone know of any in the US?

Thanks.

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Kim & Rod Rylander | 3 Oct 14:32 2003
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Re: water compost toilet

I adapted a RV mechanical closing toilet to my compost system by sending the
sewage pipes almost vertically to the composter instead of almost flat as in
conventional systems. Took a pint of water to seal and flush. Rod
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> I'm looking for a US manufacturer of a compost toilet that uses
> water like a regular toilet. I found one in Sweden.
>
> Anyone know of any in the US?
>
> Thanks.
>
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John Schinnerer | 5 Oct 07:59 2003
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Re: water compost toilet

Aloha,

> I'm looking for a US manufacturer of a compost toilet that uses
> water like a regular toilet. I found one in Sweden.
>
> Anyone know of any in the US?

There are some "blackwater" treatment systems for flush toilets that use
biological systems (plants, animals) to purify/convert the humanure.  Most I
know of are at least somewhat DIY.

Do you have a link to the Swedish one?  I'm curious to see what it is.

cheers,
John S.

John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems Design
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People - Place - Learning - Integration
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*selah* | 6 Oct 09:39 2003

Re: water compost toilet

The company name is Aquatron. Website: www.aquatron.se

Quoting John Schinnerer <john@...>:

> Aloha,
> 
> > I'm looking for a US manufacturer of a compost toilet that uses
> > water like a regular toilet. I found one in Sweden.
> >
> > Anyone know of any in the US?
> 
> There are some "blackwater" treatment systems for flush toilets that use
> biological systems (plants, animals) to purify/convert the humanure.  Most I
> know of are at least somewhat DIY.
> 
> Do you have a link to the Swedish one?  I'm curious to see what it is.
> 
> cheers,
> John S.
> 
> 
> 
> John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems Design
> ------------------------------------------
> - Eco-Living -
> Cultural & Ecological Designing
> People - Place - Learning - Integration
> john@...
> http://eco-living.net
> 
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John Schinnerer | 7 Oct 07:07 2003
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Re: water compost toilet

Aloha,

> The company name is Aquatron. Website: www.aquatron.se

Very intersting.  Haven't seen anything like it.

The separator design is very clever...could be useful for most any kind of
liquid-solid separation task.

Not reasonable though IMO to degrade all that water when waterless composting
toilets work just fine.  Plus the urine is not captured and composted, so all
that nitrogen is 'wasted' (most of our nitrogen goes out in urine; feces have
most of the phosphorus).

John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems Design
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- Eco-Living -
Cultural & Ecological Designing
People - Place - Learning - Integration
john@...
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forest | 7 Oct 16:45 2003
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Re: water compost toilet

on 10/6/03 7:07 PM, John Schinnerer at john@... wrote:

> Not reasonable though IMO to degrade all that water when waterless composting
> toilets work just fine.  Plus the urine is not captured and composted, so all
> that nitrogen is 'wasted' (most of our nitrogen goes out in urine; feces have
> most of the phosphorus).

good points john, for those who wanna keep it "simple stupid" and save
money, "the humanure book" is hard to beat for a clear easy to understand
way of dealing with our shit.....one of the top ten best books of the last
century imho....i just redid me whole compost toilet scene since reading the
book and things are breaking down great now.....and all that great humus for
the soil besides....aloha,

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*selah* | 8 Oct 00:32 2003

Re: water compost toilet

Was wondering where to get the humanure book?

Quoting forest <forest@...>:

> on 10/6/03 7:07 PM, John Schinnerer at john@... wrote:
> 
> > Not reasonable though IMO to degrade all that water when waterless
> composting
> > toilets work just fine.  Plus the urine is not captured and composted, so
> all
> > that nitrogen is 'wasted' (most of our nitrogen goes out in urine; feces
> have
> > most of the phosphorus).
> 
> good points john, for those who wanna keep it "simple stupid" and save
> money, "the humanure book" is hard to beat for a clear easy to understand
> way of dealing with our shit.....one of the top ten best books of the last
> century imho....i just redid me whole compost toilet scene since reading the
> book and things are breaking down great now.....and all that great humus for
> the soil besides....aloha,
> 
> --
> forest
> forest@...
> http://www.lavazone2.com/forest/
> 
> 
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Noel Benson | 8 Oct 01:49 2003

Re: water compost toilet

Used and new at amazon.com. Found my at a used book shop.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0964425890/solarnexus

*selah* wrote:

>Was wondering where to get the humanure book?
>
>Quoting forest <forest@...>:
>
>  
>
>>on 10/6/03 7:07 PM, John Schinnerer at john@... wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Not reasonable though IMO to degrade all that water when waterless
>>>      
>>>
>>composting
>>    
>>
>>>toilets work just fine.  Plus the urine is not captured and composted, so
>>>      
>>>
>>all
>>    
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>>>that nitrogen is 'wasted' (most of our nitrogen goes out in urine; feces
>>>      
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forest | 8 Oct 22:05 2003
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FW: [**] Ecovillage Checklists


http://ena.ecovillage.org/English/index.html

Ecovillage Network of the Americas have recently published their
proposals for assessing the 'sustainability' of
ecovillages/communities around the world.

http://gen.ecovillage.org/activities/csa/English/toc.html

Community Sustainability Assessment

Table of Contents

Introduction to the Ecological Checklist

   Sense of Place - community location & scale; restoration &
      preservation of nature
   Food Availability, Production & Distribution
   Physical Infrastructure, Buildings & Transportation - materials,
      methods, designs
   Consumption Patterns & Solid Waste Management
   Water - sources, quality & use patterns
   Waste Water & Water Pollution Management
   Energy Sources & Uses

Introduction to the Social Checklist

   Openness, Trust & Safety; Communal Space
   Communication - the flow of ideas & information
   Networking Outreach & Services - resource exchange internal/
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