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Dirk Broer | 1 Feb 2007 01:28

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[Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

A list of winners of the trofeo Alberto Nicolodi plus associated 
races:

Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi
1.	Madonna di Campiglio		Mario Gios		ITA
	190.543	23/24.01.1960  ( 44,4   - 8.09,4   / 2.15,4   - 
17.21,4   )
2.	Madonna di Campiglio		Renato de Riva		ITA
	187.808	21/22.01.1961  ( 43,8   - 8.05,2   / 2.13,3   - 
17.00,7   )
3.	Madonna di Campiglio		André Kouprianoff	
	FRA	182.940	13/14.01.1962  ( 42,8   - 4.45,9   / 
2.12,3   -   8.03.9   )
4.	Madonna di Campiglio		Günter Traub		FRG
	184.490	19/20.01.1963  ( 43,1   - 8.12,1   / 2.09,3   - 
16.21,6   ) WR
5.	Madonna di Campiglio		Günter Traub		FRG
	187.310	11/12.01.1964  ( 43,2   - 8.15,4   / 2.12,0   - 
16.51.4   )
6.	Madonna di Campiglio		Vladimir Geiderikh	
	URS	179.452	16/17.01.1965  ( 42,4   - 7.47,3   / 
2.08,0   - 15.53,1   )
7.	Madonna di Campiglio		Gerd Zimmermann		FRG
	182.277	08/09.01.1966  ( 42,3   - 7.51,1   / 2.11,7   - 
16.45,4   )
8.	Madonna di Campiglio		Gennadij Podkovyrov	URS
	183.263	13/14.01.1967  ( 41,3   - 7.56,1   / 2.07,3   - 
17.18,4   )
9.	Madonna di Campiglio		Svein-Erik Stiansen	NOR
	176.982	13/14.01.1968  ( 41,8   - 7.27,6   / 2.07,7   -

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Øyvind Erstad | 1 Feb 2007 09:22

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Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

Many nice "remembering" names on this list, and also a lot of "sub top level" names and some results who make
one wondering how hard the competition realy was. Jappie van Dijk, for instance, and his victory in -71
with 69,06(f) and 205,600!!! Also Boucher with tvo fall victories, in -77 with 51,95(f).
The -73 winner Wim Beukers later on representing Tønsberg Turn. Was he ever Norwegian?
And is -99 winner Judith Straathof a sister of Jeroen?
I remember -76 winner Dan Carrol well from WCh-75 and as a great talent, but when Heiden became visible he
more or less dissapeared, didn`t he?

regards øyvind erstad

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dirk Broer 
  To: Speed_skating@... 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:28 AM
  Subject: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

  A list of winners of the trofeo Alberto Nicolodi plus associated 
  races:

  Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi
  1. Madonna di Campiglio Mario Gios ITA
  190.543 23/24.01.1960 ( 44,4 - 8.09,4 / 2.15,4 - 
  17.21,4 )
  2. Madonna di Campiglio Renato de Riva ITA
  187.808 21/22.01.1961 ( 43,8 - 8.05,2 / 2.13,3 - 
  17.00,7 )
  3. Madonna di Campiglio André Kouprianoff 
  FRA 182.940 13/14.01.1962 ( 42,8 - 4.45,9 / 
  2.12,3 - 8.03.9 )
  4. Madonna di Campiglio Günter Traub FRG

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Marcel Warnaar | 1 Feb 2007 11:52

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[Skate] asian winter games final day

1000m with clean Chinese and Korean sweeps...

1 118 LEE KYOU HYUK KOR 7 I 1:09.86 0.00 AR 
2 121 MUN JOON KOR 8 I 1:10.45 +0.59 AR 
3 119 CHOI JAE-BONG KOR 7 O 1:10.92 +1.06 AR 
4 115 NAKAJIMA TAKAHARU JPN 8 O 1:11.35 +1.49 AR 
5 101 YU FENGTONG CHN 4 I 1:11.53 +1.67 AR 
6 104 GAO XUEFENG CHN 9 I 1:11.86 +2.00   
6 127 LEE JONG WOO KOR 5 O 1:11.86 +2.00   
8 103 AN WEIJIANG CHN 3 I 1:11.94 +2.08   
9 102 ZHANG ZHONGQI CHN 4 O 1:12.18 +2.32   
10 112 SHIMIZU HIROYASU JPN 10 O 1:12.68 +2.82   
11 111 NAGASHIMA KEIICHIRO JPN 9 O 1:13.34 +3.48   
12 134 VLADIMIR SHERSTYUK KAZ 6 I 1:13.65 +3.79   
13 128 ALEXANDR ZHIGIN KAZ 10 I 1:13.66 +3.80   
14 132 VLADIMIR KOSTIN KAZ 6 O 1:14.34 +4.48   
15 137 DMITRIY BOGDANOV KAZ 2 I 1:16.85 +6.99   
16 138 BAASAN LUVSANDORJ MGL 5 I 1:23.26 +13.40   
17 141 UUGANBAATAR GANBAATAR MGL 2 O 1:24.70 +14.84   
18 140 ENKHBOLD OYUNDORJ MGL 3 O 1:25.27 +15.41   
19 139 BAZARSAD BATSUURI MGL 1 I 1:26.08 +16.22 

1 3 WANG BEIXING CHN 7 I 1:17.35 0.00 AR 
2 7 WANG FEI CHN 8 I 1:17.54 +0.19 AR 
3 2 REN HUI CHN 7 O 1:18.84 +1.49 AR 
3 19 KIM YOU LIM KOR 10 O 1:18.96 +1.61 AR 
5 18 LEE SANG HWA KOR 9 I 1:19.24 +1.89   
6 11 OKAZAKI TOMOMI JPN 10 I 1:19.47 +2.12   
7 12 SHINYA SHIHOMI JPN 8 O 1:19.88 +2.53   
8 5 ZHANG SHUANG CHN 9 O 1:19.99 +2.64

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Marcel van Dieren | 1 Feb 2007 12:04

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[Skate] Re: asian winter games final day

--- In Speed_skating@..., Marcel Warnaar <mwarnaar <at> ...> 
wrote:
>
> 1000m with clean Chinese and Korean sweeps...
> 10 35 KO HYON SUK PRK 3 O 1:20.35 +3.00   

Reasonably good results from this North Korean skater, 39.96 on the 
500m and this. Do these times get her anywhere near the World Distance 
Championships?
It's a pitty we don't see North Korean skaters more often in 
international competition!

Marcel.

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Joep | 1 Feb 2007 12:17

[Skate] Japanese skating (was asian winter games final day)

Japan was for years the number one skating nation in Asia. It appears
this situation has altered quite rapidly. Its allrounders have been
mediocre at best over the last few years and the sprinters are not
doing that brilliant anymore.

Any ideas about the causes of this? Lack of good coaches? Not enough
innovation? Lack of talent?

>
>---- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----
>Van: mwarnaar@...
>Naar: Speed_skating@...
>Onderwerp: RE: [Skate] asian winter games final day
>Datum: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:52:18 +0100
>
>>1000m with clean Chinese and Korean sweeps...
>>
>>1 118 LEE KYOU HYUK KOR 7 I 1:09.86 0.00 AR 
>>2 121 MUN JOON KOR 8 I 1:10.45 +0.59 AR 
>>3 119 CHOI JAE-BONG KOR 7 O 1:10.92 +1.06 AR 
>>4 115 NAKAJIMA TAKAHARU JPN 8 O 1:11.35 +1.49 AR 
>>5 101 YU FENGTONG CHN 4 I 1:11.53 +1.67 AR 
>>6 104 GAO XUEFENG CHN 9 I 1:11.86 +2.00   
>>6 127 LEE JONG WOO KOR 5 O 1:11.86 +2.00   
>>8 103 AN WEIJIANG CHN 3 I 1:11.94 +2.08   
>>9 102 ZHANG ZHONGQI CHN 4 O 1:12.18 +2.32   
>>10 112 SHIMIZU HIROYASU JPN 10 O 1:12.68 +2.82   
>>11 111 NAGASHIMA KEIICHIRO JPN 9 O 1:13.34 +3.48   
>>12 134 VLADIMIR SHERSTYUK KAZ 6 I 1:13.65 +3.79   
>>13 128 ALEXANDR ZHIGIN KAZ 10 I 1:13.66 +3.80

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Eert Moonen | 1 Feb 2007 13:13

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Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

Judith is a cousin, if I'm not mistaken.

Eert

On 2/1/07, Øyvind Erstad <oe-ers@...> wrote:
>
>   Many nice "remembering" names on this list, and also a lot of "sub top
> level" names and some results who make one wondering how hard the
> competition realy was. Jappie van Dijk, for instance, and his victory in -71
> with 69,06(f) and 205,600!!! Also Boucher with tvo fall victories, in -77
> with 51,95(f).
> The -73 winner Wim Beukers later on representing Třnsberg Turn. Was he
> ever Norwegian?
> And is -99 winner Judith Straathof a sister of Jeroen?
> I remember -76 winner Dan Carrol well from WCh-75 and as a great talent,
> but when Heiden became visible he more or less dissapeared, didn`t he?
>
> regards řyvind erstad
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dirk Broer
> To: Speed_skating@... <Speed_skating%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:28 AM
> Subject: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto
> Nicolodi 1960 - 2006
>
> A list of winners of the trofeo Alberto Nicolodi plus associated
> races:
>
> Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi

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Matthias Opatz | 1 Feb 2007 12:11

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Re: [Skate] Re: asian winter games final day

Marcel van Dieren wrote:

> Reasonably good results from this North Korean skater, 39.96 on the 
> 500m and this. Do these times get her anywhere near the World Distance 
> Championships?

Whatever, Northkoreans definitely don't go to the US for a sports
competition (except Olympics).

Matthias 

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Håkon Mørk | 1 Feb 2007 13:33

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Re: [Skate] Re: asian winter games final day

On 2/1/07, Matthias Opatz <stedten2@...> wrote:
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> Whatever, Northkoreans definitely don't go to the US for a sports
> competition (except Olympics).
>

Not quite right. They'll do anything to impress their capitalist
rivals, it seems. Kang Yun Mi (who shares her name with a South Korean
short tracker) won a silver medal at the World Gymnastics
Championships in Anaheim, California three years ago.

Håkon,

who thinks the North Korean people would need some food before
considering speed skating...

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Øyvind Erstad | 1 Feb 2007 14:55

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Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

Quoting me:
The -73 winner Wim Beukers later on representing Tønsberg Turn. Was he ever Norwegian?

I believe he was, participating in Norwegian all round Championship -76(19), -77(12) and -78(19) - in the
last one representing Holmestrand og Botne.

regards øyvind erstad

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Øyvind Erstad 
  To: Speed_skating@... 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

  Many nice "remembering" names on this list, and also a lot of "sub top level" names and some results who make
one wondering how hard the competition realy was. Jappie van Dijk, for instance, and his victory in -71
with 69,06(f) and 205,600!!! Also Boucher with tvo fall victories, in -77 with 51,95(f).
  The -73 winner Wim Beukers later on representing Tønsberg Turn. Was he ever Norwegian?
  And is -99 winner Judith Straathof a sister of Jeroen?
  I remember -76 winner Dan Carrol well from WCh-75 and as a great talent, but when Heiden became visible he
more or less dissapeared, didn`t he?

  regards øyvind erstad

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dirk Broer 
  To: Speed_skating@... 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 1:28 AM
  Subject: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

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Øyvind Erstad | 1 Feb 2007 16:01

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Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

Quoting me again:
I remember -76 winner Dan Carrol well from WCh-75 and as a great talent, but when Heiden became visible he
more or less dissapeared, didn`t he?

Reading old results I discover Daniel "Dan" Carroll representing US in WCh already in 1970, so I believe his
"dissapearing" has nothing to do with Heiden at all...

regards øyvind erstad
who certainly should do some more preliminary work before writing on this list!  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Øyvind Erstad 
  To: Speed_skating@... 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

  Quoting me:
  The -73 winner Wim Beukers later on representing Tønsberg Turn. Was he ever Norwegian?

  I believe he was, participating in Norwegian all round Championship -76(19), -77(12) and -78(19) - in the
last one representing Holmestrand og Botne.

  regards øyvind erstad

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Øyvind Erstad 
  To: Speed_skating@... 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Regular "trophy" competitions - Trofeo Alberto Nicolodi 1960 - 2006

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