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Hans Wilbrink | 1 Feb 2006 08:15
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[Skate] Speedskating clubs expect boost from Olympics

greenbaypressgazette.com:

Posted January 31, 2006 
Speedskating clubs expect boost from Olympics 
By Heather LaRoi (Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers)

The thing about speedskating is that when it's done well, it just looks
so darned easy. 
Kirk Olson nods his head when he hears this. "You're absolutely right.
People who are very good skaters make it look so easy, so smooth," he
said. 
And then he laughs. Heartily. 
"It's exceedingly difficult. It takes years of practice. But it's a
beautiful thing to see the human form doing this sport." 
Olson, of Appleton, recently took part in the United States speedskating
championships in Salt Lake City, which also doubled as the Olympic
trials. 
He ended up finishing 10th overall in the men's combined 500-meter race.
It was a strong performance - and Olson was pretty happy with it - but
not quite good enough to make the cut for the U.S. team heading to the
2006 Winter Olympic Games in Torino, Italy. 
Olson was disappointed but still, it was not bad for a guy who didn't
even take up the sport until about three years ago. Not bad for a father
of three who had also maintained a full-time job as a network analyst
while training. Not bad at all for a guy who's just turning 39. 
Olson might have come to the sport of speedskating relatively late -
heck, he didn't even try on a pair of speedskates until age 36 - but a
combination of genes, hard work and top-notch support (his coach was
four-time Olympian David Cruikshank) went a long way in helping to make
up for lost time.
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Jeroen Heijmans | 1 Feb 2006 08:34

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Lars wrote:
> These muslims are taking their religion far too seriously. 

This is something many suffer from when they are strongly or even
fanatically devoted to a subject - this is not particular to (some)
muslims or even religion. They also tend to blow their interest out of
proportion.

Interestingly, the Dutch have their own miniature version of this
cartoon commotion, featuring two strict Christian parties (SGP and
ChristenUnie) in an Adam and Eve cartoon regarding the non-acceptance
of  women in the party by the SGP (yes, we have our own
fundamentalists here ).

 
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T.B. Hansen | 1 Feb 2006 10:12
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Lars:

> I don't know about Jyllandsposten, but I doubt if it's
> an organ for the Danish Christian right.

It's an organ for the Danish Right, though not specifically 'Christian' in
the fundamentalist sense.

But the situation in Denmark is extreme. In a few years what used to be (or
bragged of being) Europe's most liberal society has changed into a very
unfriendly one. Attacks on Muslims have more or less turned into official
politics. Consequently Danish Muslims (unlike Norwegian Muslims, for
instance) gets more 'aggressive'.

Today a French paper publish the pictures. Incidentally, France is another
European country where the extreme Right holds political positions.

In Norway, by the way, only a month or two ago a prominent Christian leader
claimed that Norwegian 'rights of speech' and 'equal rights' policy were a
threat to religious freedom. And, unlike the Muslims, the Christians have
political power here (and support from the extreme Right) - so we might see
some limitations of our constitutional freedom here in the future...

> Anyhow they set up an interesting situation. No apology shall be
> forthcoming from our governments I'm sure (although I think
> Stoltenberg stretched a little too far in that direction today).

I think it's in principle impossible for a democratic government to
apologize for something done by media. What they can do (and what the
Norwegian Government has done), is to make it clear that it's not a matter
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T.B. Hansen | 1 Feb 2006 10:14
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Re: [Skate] Re: Nils Aanes 70

Øyvind Erstad:

> T.B.Hansen wrote:
> ...and for being the first man to (officially) beat Boris Shilkov`s
> "unbeatable" 5000m world record...
> 
> Has there been any unofficially beating of this record?

Knut Johannesen skated a 5,000 m in 7.41 in a training race (that might have
been seen as a test race today) in Squaw Valley in 1959 or '60.

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T.B. Hansen | 1 Feb 2006 10:14
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Lars:

> I don't know about Jyllandsposten, but I doubt if it's
> an organ for the Danish Christian right.

It's an organ for the Danish Right, though not specifically 'Christian' in
the fundamentalist sense.

But the situation in Denmark is extreme. In a few years what used to be (or
bragged of being) Europe's most liberal society has changed into a very
unfriendly one. Attacks on Muslims have more or less turned into official
politics. Consequently Danish Muslims (unlike Norwegian Muslims, for
instance) gets more 'aggressive'.

Today a French paper publish the pictures. Incidentally, France is another
European country where the extreme Right holds political positions.

In Norway, by the way, only a month or two ago a prominent Christian leader
claimed that Norwegian 'rights of speech' and 'equal rights' policy were a
threat to religious freedom. And, unlike the Muslims, the Christians have
political power here (and support from the extreme Right) - so we might see
some limitations of our constitutional freedom here in the future...

> Anyhow they set up an interesting situation. No apology shall be
> forthcoming from our governments I'm sure (although I think
> Stoltenberg stretched a little too far in that direction today).

I think it's in principle impossible for a democratic government to
apologize for something done by media. What they can do (and what the
Norwegian Government has done), is to make it clear that it's not a matter
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Jos Kloppenborg | 1 Feb 2006 11:31
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Re: [Skate] Re: Nils Aanes 70

7.41.3 on Feb 20, 1960 according to Evert Stenlund's site 
http://web.telia.com/~u46130641/d5k.htm

Jos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T.B. Hansen" <speedskating@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Skate] Re: Nils Aanes 70

Øyvind Erstad:

> T.B.Hansen wrote:
> ...and for being the first man to (officially) beat Boris Shilkov`s
> "unbeatable" 5000m world record...
>
> Has there been any unofficially beating of this record?

Knut Johannesen skated a 5,000 m in 7.41 in a training race (that might have
been seen as a test race today) in Squaw Valley in 1959 or '60.

--------------------

T.B.Hansen

Jens Bjelkes gate 7
N-0562 Oslo, Norway

Tel +47 22 37 21 50
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Øivind Øiseth | 1 Feb 2006 12:24
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[Skate] Re: Nils Aanes 70

I've been puzzled by this 5,000 m time for almost 35 years since I 
first "discovered it" in the 1971 pamphlet "NORWEGIAN ALL TIME BEST 
performers and performances in SPEED-SKATING for MEN" by Magne Teigen 
and Per Gunnar Harmansen..

It's rather strange that Knut Johannesen in his first book "Fra 
Kampen til Squaw Valley" writes in detail about the test race of 16 
February (Jan Pesman 7.46,7 and Knut Johannesen 7.53,1) while he 
completely ignores a race 4 days later resulting in a time 4,3 
seconds better than the world record.

Did the race ever take place (20 Feb. was the day the women skated 
their Olympic 500 m)? I'll ask Knut Johannesen himself the next time 
we meet at Valle Hovin.

Øivind Øiseth

--- In Speed_skating@..., "Jos Kloppenborg" 
<jos.kloppenborg <at> w...> wrote:
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> 7.41.3 on Feb 20, 1960 according to Evert Stenlund's site 
> http://web.telia.com/~u46130641/d5k.htm
> 
> Jos
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "T.B. Hansen" <speedskating <at> s...>
> To: "NY skøyteliste (Yahoo)" <Speed_skating@...>
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T.B.Hansen | 1 Feb 2006 12:53
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Øivind Øiseth:

> It's rather strange that Knut Johannesen in his first book "Fra
> Kampen til Squaw Valley" writes in detail about the test race of 16
> February (Jan Pesman 7.46,7 and Knut Johannesen 7.53,1) while he
> completely ignores a race 4 days later resulting in a time 4,3
> seconds better than the world record.

Probably because this race did not meet the criteria for recognition as an
official race. Meaning the results were better forgotten. The liberal
attitude towards 'unofficial' results, typical to the WSSSA, was not yet
established.

> I'll ask Knut Johannesen himself the next time
> we meet at Valle Hovin.

Good idea. Though I know he has been asked before, and that he then
confirmed the race.

With little chance of meeting 'Kupper'n' in person, I'll be very interested
in his explanation of the reasons for not recognizing this time as a PB. Was
it a mere formality, were neutral officials absent, was the times kept by
team leaders or mates - or was there serious flaws in measurements?

(I remember at least one sensational training time in the 1980's, that
turned out to be a race with only inner curves...)

Problem is, that if 'Kupper'n' and other participants of the Olympic
test/training races have not told the complete story before, chances are
they don't remember the details 45 years later...
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Tore Jan Narvestad | 1 Feb 2006 16:03
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[Skate] Re: results hamar

Would anybody know the laptimes or "race plans" of Ervik's 3.45 or Grødum's 
6.24 from Hamar last week-end?

Though I find 6.24.04 somewhat encouraging no matter how it is achieved, I 
would somehow find it even more encouraging if it turned out to have been 
achieved in a rather "flat" race than in a race which started with 29.0 and 
ended with 32.0.

 
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Lars Finsen | 1 Feb 2006 17:04
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T.B. Hansen wrote:
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> 'The Muslims' are certainly no more united than 'the Christians', and
> opinions differ widely. No doubt liberal Muslims will learn  
> something from
> this incident -

But they are not the ones that have something to learn.

> no doubt the (small though active) reactionary groups will
> take it as just another example of Western barbarism...

Their leaders evidently are able to stir up large groups of people in  
this and other cases. But what if they learn that a democratic  
government cannot be bullied into apologising for acts performed by  
its subjects. Wonder what this will lead to. Especially if more  
countries are publishing it.

The leaders of course will not learn anything. They are only jumping  
the opportunity. They are no doubt happy with the whole situation.  
Hmm, does anyone happen to know the identity of the original artist?

Jeroen Heijmans wrote:
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> (quoting me:)
>> These muslims are taking their religion far too seriously.
>>
>
> This is something many suffer from when they are strongly or even
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