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Richard Schmidt | 1 Jul 2006 01:38
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Re: fuel cells

Dan,

I believe that part of the problem is that ATL doesn't do retail sales. You
may have to go through a dealer.  I purchased my cell from Vee Sport Racing.
Their response was quite good and had fast delivery.  This number is getting
old, but you may want to try them.

Vee Sport Racing
Danbury, Ct
203-792-9114

I worked with Steve Pastore

Richard

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From: "dan hester" <xdanthemanx@...>
To: <f500@...>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:05 AM
Subject: [F500] fuel cells

> I think we need to start looking at addressing the fuel cell issue, theres
> only one place that makes them and i cant even get an answer out of them
for
> 2 months, even though the cost is high i still cant even get them to quote
> the stuff i need. a lot of the f500's have been around for quite a while
and
> i see this becoming a huge problem as cells start leaking from
> deterioration.
> other than atl does anyone know of another source, i cant find anything at
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Ted Rudolph | 3 Jul 2006 05:31

Re: fuel cells

ATL works directly with customers - I e-mailed ATL directly (atl@...)
and worked with David Dack. The cell was a custom build and is top notch. 

I tried Fuel Safe first via their e-mail address and via their phone number.
They basically ignored my request for info (The e-mail got a form response to
call their phone number - my messages there never resulted in a return call).
Another local guy did get through to Fuel Safe and also had a custom cell
built.

I'll go back to ATL for my next cell, and any cell after that. David was great
to work with.

-Ted

Oh, and you can see a pic of the cell here - yes, they did 'custom' logo it:

http://www.champcarfanatics.com/gallery/data//523/tank.jpg

"Richard Schmidt" <reddevilsix@...> wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I believe that part of the problem is that ATL doesn't do retail sales. You
> may have to go through a dealer.  I purchased my cell from Vee Sport Racing.
> Their response was quite good and had fast delivery.  This number is getting
> old, but you may want to try them.
> 
> Vee Sport Racing
> Danbury, Ct
> 203-792-9114
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Ted Rudolph | 3 Jul 2006 06:19

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Anyone else having trouble tuning a 493? Can anyone give any insight into
properly tuning one?

My engine (new from Tony Murphy in 2004) was running pretty well last summer,
although at the last race of the season (the Fun One at the Glen) the PTO
cylinder did not come up to temperature as quickly as the Magneto side.  If we
let the engine run for a few minutes, did a lap around the paddock & then
changed the PTO spark plug the engine would run fine. Once we finished out
warm-up procedure it would run great - in fact, it was very fast all weekend.

We didn’t do anything over the winter except remove the balance tube and plug
the holes. This year at the Pocono Double the engine was a bear.  Same
problems getting the PTO cylinder to come up to temperature, although changing
the plug after warming didn’t help things. The PTO plug would be wet when it
came out, while the Mag plug was a nice milk-chocolate brown color.

During the first on-track session, the Magneto Cylinder temp would spike high
(1500) at full throttle, while the PTO side would drop to nothing. If I
breathed the throttle a little, the cylinders would drop back to normal
(although the PTO was still low – 800-900 degrees vs. 1200 on the Mag side).

Between sessions we went to richer jets – the only ones available were 340s
(thanks again to Steve Moore!) instead of the normal 290s.  It ran ‘better’ in
the afternoon on the bigger jets, although a bit cool (EGT) and it certainly
lacked top-end power.

Next morning we moved the needles (stock needles) to lean the engine back a
touch and it ran better at the start of the race, but after five laps behind
the pace car it was loaded up and took the last two green laps to clear out –
but boy did it feel fast on the cool-down lap.
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Jan Schmidt | 3 Jul 2006 07:17
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Re: fuel cells

Ted,
Nice fuel cell. How many gallons does it hold and what did it cost?
Bill Schmidt 88 Red Devil Kawi

>>> ted@... 07/02/06 10:31 PM >>>
ATL works directly with customers - I e-mailed ATL directly
(atl@...)
and worked with David Dack. The cell was a custom build and is top
notch. 

I tried Fuel Safe first via their e-mail address and via their phone
number.
They basically ignored my request for info (The e-mail got a form
response to
call their phone number - my messages there never resulted in a return
call).
Another local guy did get through to Fuel Safe and also had a custom
cell
built.

I'll go back to ATL for my next cell, and any cell after that. David was
great
to work with.

-Ted

Oh, and you can see a pic of the cell here - yes, they did 'custom' logo
it:

http://www.champcarfanatics.com/gallery/data//523/tank.jpg
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Andrew M. Brenkus | 3 Jul 2006 16:11

Red Devil posted today

Just letting everyone know that I posted a Red Devil on the F500 site today.

Any interested persons can reach me at 301-980-5780.

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iamuwere | 3 Jul 2006 16:58
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Re: (no subject)

That is a different problem than I have had.

I can't get the Digitron to properly register the EGT's.
This past weekend at MidOhio (interesting new surface) the only readings I was getting were about
1800-1900F.  Oddly, there wasn't a puddle of metal sitting there and actually was able to pull the Fords on
the start and kept going.

Freshly rebuilt Digitron DT54 will be freshly rebuilt again.

I don't know what the EGT really is, but the plugs are pretty wet still with the recommended Tony Murphy settings.
I think this engine dumps more unburnt fuel into the manifold where it is burning.

jim

----- Original Message ----
From: Ted Rudolph <ted@...>
To: f500@...
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2006 12:19:19 AM
Subject: [F500] (no subject)

Anyone else having trouble tuning a 493? Can anyone give any insight into
properly tuning one?

My engine (new from Tony Murphy in 2004) was running pretty well last summer,
although at the last race of the season (the Fun One at the Glen) the PTO
cylinder did not come up to temperature as quickly as the Magneto side.  If we
let the engine run for a few minutes, did a lap around the paddock & then
changed the PTO spark plug the engine would run fine. Once we finished out
warm-up procedure it would run great - in fact, it was very fast all weekend.
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Jeff Blumenthal | 3 Jul 2006 17:59

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Ted,
I had a similar experience when I first installed the 493 in my 
autocross car. Fortunately for me it cleared up as quickly as it 
appeared and I have no idea what caused it. Last year at the first event 
I ran with the new motor, I started it up and it was obvious that only 
one cylinder (mag side) was operating. We switched spark plugs, leads, 
confirmed fuel was getting to the cylinder but we could not get the PTO 
side to fire. Next morning we put everything back together and it ran 
fine. It has run fine ever since. Ah, ya gotta love the mysteries of racing.
-Jeff

Ted Rudolph wrote:

>Anyone else having trouble tuning a 493? Can anyone give any insight into
>properly tuning one?
>
>My engine (new from Tony Murphy in 2004) was running pretty well last summer,
>although at the last race of the season (the Fun One at the Glen) the PTO
>cylinder did not come up to temperature as quickly as the Magneto side.  If we
>let the engine run for a few minutes, did a lap around the paddock & then
>changed the PTO spark plug the engine would run fine. Once we finished out
>warm-up procedure it would run great - in fact, it was very fast all weekend.
>
>We didn’t do anything over the winter except remove the balance tube and plug
>the holes. This year at the Pocono Double the engine was a bear.  Same
>problems getting the PTO cylinder to come up to temperature, although changing
>the plug after warming didn’t help things. The PTO plug would be wet when it
>came out, while the Mag plug was a nice milk-chocolate brown color.
>
>During the first on-track session, the Magneto Cylinder temp would spike high
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Jeff Blumenthal | 3 Jul 2006 18:02

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Jim,
  I'll bring my Digitron to the Euclid AX event tomorrow, you can plug 
it in to your sensors and see if the readings are similar.  (Mine uses 
BNC connectors...same as yours?).  PS...Did they excavate and eliminate 
the "ski-jump" that launched Joey Hand at the AMLS race the weekend b4 
you were there?
-Jeff

iamuwere@... wrote:

>That is a different problem than I have had.
>
>I can't get the Digitron to properly register the EGT's.
>This past weekend at MidOhio (interesting new surface) the only readings I was getting were about
1800-1900F.  Oddly, there wasn't a puddle of metal sitting there and actually was able to pull the Fords on
the start and kept going.
>
>Freshly rebuilt Digitron DT54 will be freshly rebuilt again.
>
>I don't know what the EGT really is, but the plugs are pretty wet still with the recommended Tony Murphy settings.
>I think this engine dumps more unburnt fuel into the manifold where it is burning.
>
>jim
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Ted Rudolph <ted@...>
>To: f500@...
>Sent: Monday, July 3, 2006 12:19:19 AM
>Subject: [F500] (no subject)
>
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Jan Schmidt | 5 Jul 2006 17:41
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HPT Divisional

We are having our Topeka Solo Divisional on Aug 4,5,6th. Registration is
currently open with a cap of 250 drivers. You can register on
www.myautoevents.com. This is everyones chance to see just how slippery
HPT is.
Bill Schmidt 88 Red Devil Kawi

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dogill80 | 6 Jul 2006 04:05
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Re: fuel cells

I bought one from Fuel Safe in '99 for ~$600.  I bought the same cell (also 
a custom order piece) in '03 for just over $1K.

I believe I remember someone on the list stating that they had either 
queried ATL or purchased from them for a similar price.

Dave Gill

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From: "Jay Novak" <jnovak6@...>
To: <f500@...>
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [F500] fuel cells

> We have been getting our cells from Fuel Safe in Washington state.
>
> (800) 433-6524
>
>
> Thanks ... Jay Novak
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: f500-bounces+jnovak6=wideopenwest.com@...
> [mailto:f500-bounces+jnovak6=wideopenwest.com@...] On Behalf Of dan
> hester
> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:06 AM
> To: f500@...
> Subject: [F500] fuel cells
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