MMauneyJr | 1 Sep 01:14 2005
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Re: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

In a message dated 8/31/2005 4:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mlindsey@... writes:

<<<Of the tracks that are out there that utilize an oval  infrastructure, what
courses have you raced on and what did you like about  it?  >>>

I have run Charlotte, St. Louis, and Evergreen (Seattle-area short track w/  
an ad hoc road course, built out of its three concentric ovals).

I like Charlotte best because:  

> You get to run almost all of the oval, and the road portion is long  enough 
to be non-trivial
> There is some (slight) elevation change in the road section - more  would 
be better.
> The final turn complex re-entering at NASCAR 1 forces you to think  about 
your line to carry the most speed onto the oval  (St. Louis  accomplishes this, 
as well, but I think the Charlotte layout is more  interesting.
> The banking is cool, even if it is really a non-event in our  cars.

If you could take these characteristics of Charlotte, but incorporate the  
'rhythm' of the esses in St. Louis, I think it would be very cool.....

There's nothing I remember liking about Evergreen - I only went once and  
never returned.  The transitions from one oval to the next were really bad  - you 
had to pick your line carefully to avoid bottoming.  Although I had a  really 
good race going, I remember not enjoying the day.  Of course, that  might be 
because I had a really nasty incident there.  That was the day I  discovered 
just how badly Formula cars depend on functioning brakes.....

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J. Christian Gunn, MD | 1 Sep 02:41 2005
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Re: (no subject)

Thank you.

Christian

J. Christian Gunn, MD
Lone Star Surgery Center
jcgunn22@...
254.582.0100

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<i>&lt;f500@...&gt;</i><br>Subject:  <i>Re: [F500] (no 
subject)</i><br>Date:  <i>Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:47:53 -0500</i><br>&gt;You 
might want to check out the used car section at   www.f500.org  
Also<br>&gt;there is lots of info 
available.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Richard<br>&gt;<br>&gt;Who just happens to have a 
car for sale.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;----- Original Message -----<br>&gt;From: 
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&lt;f500@...&gt;<br>&gt;Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:56 
PM<br>&gt;Subject: [F500] (no subject)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi 
everyone.  I'm new to all of this, and am hoping for some help.  I 
want<br>&gt; &gt; to race F500 starting next season.  I need to find a car, 
trailer,<br>&gt; &gt; equipment, etc,etc...<br>&gt; &gt; I can use all the 
direction you all are willing to give me.  To start<br>&gt;with,<br>&gt; 
&gt; where are the best places to find cars??  Is there somewhere I can get 
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J. Christian Gunn, MD | 1 Sep 02:55 2005
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Thanks for the input, Jeff.  I'm currently near Dallas, TX.  But, we're 
relocating to Northern KY in Sept.

J. Christian Gunn, MD
Lone Star Surgery Center
jcgunn22@...
254.582.0100

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-0400</i><br>&gt;With a post like that you will get a lot of advise, I know 
of two  race<br>&gt;ready Sidewinders for sale and the SCCA GCR book comes 
for free when you<br>&gt;join now. Where are you located? You will be best 
served to race a car that<br>&gt;those arround you also race as the learning 
curve is not so steep.Welcome ,<br>&gt;good luck , and you found the right 
place to ask questions. Jeff  <at> <br>&gt;Sidewinder Racing<br>&gt;----- 
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subject)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Hi everyone.  I'm new to all of this, 
and am hoping for some help.  I want<br>&gt; &gt; to race F500 starting next 
season.  I need to find a car, trailer,<br>&gt; &gt; equipment, 
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edward capullo | 1 Sep 03:24 2005
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Wheel Search

Fellow F500 racers -especially those with older Red Devils. Time to search 
the old parts bins. I am
in need of the 5 bolt 8" wide rear wheels with 2.5" center. I only need one 
but can take two. I contacted Q this afternoon as I have Douglas wheels on 
the car (1993 Red Devil) He mentioned that all he has are 4 lug. I have not 
reached RedDevil yet. I need to get wheels that are not corroded bent or 
otherwise damaged and if a set can be obtained close to CT that would be
even better. Are there other comparable brands that you have that will fit 
my 5 bolt pattern.
Any offers or suggestions? I seem to have 6 fronts but only 3 rears. The 
fronts I have on there
now are wide track but I have two mounted and two unmounted fronts that 
appear to be a
narrow track with not much depth on the outside if anyone is looking for 
those.
Ed Capullo

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dogill80 | 1 Sep 03:38 2005
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Re: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

Mark,

I've run on Texas World Speedway, Texas Motor Speedway, Pikes Peak Int'l
Raceway, and Phoenix Int'l Raceway.

Phoenix Good -  A large portion of the speedway was used and the entrance to
it was very slow
Phoenix Bad   -  There was only one line in the infield.  To venture off
line in the infield was to collect rocks.

Pike's Peak Good - The back stretch was very wide
Pike's Peak Bad - 1.3 mile course was too small for some of the race groups

TWS Good - Nearly a dozen configurations, most of which are quite
challenging making it difficult (at least for me) to lay down several good
laps in succession
TWS Bad - Speedway Turn 4 is a mess.  Way too bumpy even for big cars and
only about 2/3 of the course is available to spectators.  Transition takes
some learning and formidable attachments.

TMS Good - Incredibly smooth. Great use of the speedway.  Good visibility
from all points
TMS Bad - I don't know yet.  Not enough seat time.  Maybe the departure from
speedway to apron in turn 1 (those two tire bundles) is a bit scary but,
others neither complain nor get out of the throttle.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lindsey, Mark" <mlindsey@...>
To: <f500@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:03 PM
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Dave Riddle | 1 Sep 05:07 2005
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Re: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

>Phoenix Good -  A large portion of the speedway was used and the entrance to
>it was very slow
>Phoenix Bad   -  There was only one line in the infield.  To venture off
>line in the infield was to collect rocks.

As one of my home tracks let me add that the increased paving on the 
infield has addressed most of that issue and there are four overtaking 
spots within the infield.  Entrance to Turn 2 (and easy to protect your 
line through turns 3 and 4), Entrance to Turn 5, but you can take the line 
back if you get dive-bombed in 5 and they can't hold it you can take it 
back all the way through Turn 6-7 and also into Turn 9.  Look at a track 
map and you will see what I mean.  The only part of the speedway not used 
is NASCAR 1 and 2 as the entrance to Turn 1 is at the start of NASCAR 1 and 
the exit of Turn 9 is the exit of NASCAR 2.  All the back and front 
straight are used with NASCAR 3 and 4

McAbee, Chuck | 1 Sep 08:03 2005

RE: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

I have had the opportunity to race a three Speedway road courses.....Daytona, Charlotte and Pocono.

Daytona uses the 3.54 mile 24 Hour configuration of the track.  There are two interesting parts of this
configuration.  1. The high speed entry into the infield portion of the track from the Tri-oval portion of
the main straight.  2.  The relatively high speed chicane at the end of the back straight which has a maximum
speed entrance from the back straight.  The balance of the infield is relatively boring and non-descript. 
The main portion of Daytona can be driven in max-cruise control, listen to the tunes and boogie.

Charlotte is a much different animal than Daytona.  The infield portion also begins just after the Tri-oval
portion of the main track, the big difference is that at Charlotte the exit from the pits is also at the same
point in the track, causing cars at speed and cars not at speed to be in the same area of the track.  The
entrance to the infield is closely bordered by a Jersey Wall barrier, that at one time I am told had a Bulls
eye painted on it (until way too may people hit the Bulls eye).  The Jersey Wall is not forgiving.  The infield
turns at Charlotte have some camber change and a small amount of elevation change which add a degree of
character.  The return to the main track is near the exit of NASCAR 1 and the transition is (or was) rather
rough.  With the main track at Charlotte being a 1.5 mile Tri-oval, the speedway turns are much tighter than
Daytona (2.5 mile main track), as 
 a consequence driving these turns requires one's concentration....you can put the car anywhere on the
track you desire in these turns, but it requires your attention.

Pocono has multiple infield configurations.  The only one I have driven is the one that uses NASCAR 1, NASCAR
2 and enters the infield several hundred yards after NASCAR 2 (the Tunnel Turn) with a 135 degree left
hander into the infield known as 'Devil's Elbow'; the balance of the infield is a succession of
featureless turns that ultimately put one back onto the main track at the beginning of pit road.....the
bad feature of this configuration (at least when I drove it in 1988 & 90) was that Pit Road had a series of
corrugations that ran parallel to pit road and the line off the final infield turn had one trying to 'slide'
across the corrugations sideways.  I don't believe this configuration is currently being used.

Of the three, Charlotte has the most challenges both in the infield and on the main portion of the track.  That
being said the treatment of the club racer at both Charlotte and Daytona is less than cordial by track
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Dave Riddle | 1 Sep 08:47 2005
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Race fuel prices

And I spent $6.75 a gallon for 110 VP for my son's (he is thirteen) 80cc 
shifter last week.  The shop told me the rate was going to $7.50/gallon on 
Monday.

Some hi-res "pro" pictures

On his 80cc Shifter this past Saturday.
http://www.microworks.net/dave/images/gallery/Tyler-80ccShifter.jpg

On a loaned 125cc TaG that same day
http://www.microworks.net/dave/images/gallery/Tyler-125ccTaG.jpg

Gotta love the dirt tracking attitude of the 125 picture.  Not the fast way 
around the corner but it sure is the fun way.  The rear track was set too 
wide that first session and he had gobs of oversteer on corner exit.  Here 
he is gathering it up with a handful of opposite lock with the inside front 
wheel off the ground.  Note that his left foot is actually pointed back as 
he appears to be purposefully keeping away from the brakes and his right 
foot is firmly on the gas. Also note the tire smoke on the rear wheel and 
how much the tire has moved on the rim!

Like father, like son.

Have I mentioned that he wants me to get him a Spitfire that he can take 
apart and rebuild so that it is ready when he turns 16.

It was about 105 degrees out when these pictures were taken at 
5:00pm.  Gotta love Phoenix in August.

At 09:55 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:
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Lindsey, Mark | 1 Sep 15:08 2005

RE: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

I assume the sanction bodies will have a lot to say.  Email his name off
line.

Thanks.

Mark S. Lindsey, AIA
Principal
Baskervill 
architecture + engineering + interior design
804 343 1010    
fax 343 0909
baskervill.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Reinhardt [mailto:ny_racer_xxx@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 4:21 PM
To: f500@...
Subject: Re: [F500] Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

Mark, walls and transition are bad. Only good thing other than the facility
itself is the good view for the spectators and crews. 
Sounds like your working on the old Rockingham track, good luck... 

I have a friend that's the technical director for a major racing
organization, that might be interested in giving you some feedback, let me
know... 

Chris R.

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Lindsey, Mark | 1 Sep 18:46 2005

RE: Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

This is great commentary.  Keep 'em coming!

Mark S. Lindsey, AIA
Principal
Baskervill 
architecture + engineering + interior design
804 343 1010    
fax 343 0909
baskervill.com
ask + listen + create

-----Original Message-----
From: McAbee, Chuck [mailto:Chuck_McAbee@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:04 AM
To: f500@...
Subject: RE: [F500] Roval Road Courses What's Your Favorite?

I have had the opportunity to race a three Speedway road
courses.....Daytona, Charlotte and Pocono.

Daytona uses the 3.54 mile 24 Hour configuration of the track.  There are
two interesting parts of this configuration.  1. The high speed entry into
the infield portion of the track from the Tri-oval portion of the main
straight.  2.  The relatively high speed chicane at the end of the back
straight which has a maximum speed entrance from the back straight.  The
balance of the infield is relatively boring and non-descript.  The main
portion of Daytona can be driven in max-cruise control, listen to the tunes
and boogie.

Charlotte is a much different animal than Daytona.  The infield portion also
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