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BRYAN POWELL | 1 Jan 2004 03:36
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Re: Spam Alert: Competition adjustments

Richard,

I would have to agree with your situation as I'm in the same boat.
The only problem is that boat is a cruise to the fat farm!
My car is running 623 lbs. with no driver, I don't know how
that compares with some of the other cars out there. I just
don't know what would be easier cutting weight off my 190 lb.
butt of lighten up the car?

Bryan
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  From: Richard W Schmidt
  To: f500@...
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Spam Alert: [F500] Competition adjustments

  Mark,

  I would love to lighten up my Kawasaki powered car by 25 or 50 lbs, but I
am
  already running at the 800 lb mark. I would have to lose 100 lbs body
  weight.

  Richard

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  To: <f500@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:08 AM
  Subject: RE: Spam Alert: [F500] Competition adjustments
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McAbee, Chuck | 1 Jan 2004 10:27
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We are not alone

Did a little Google searching and low and behold we are not the only Formula
500 game in the world....Check out the following site

http://www.formula500.com.au <http://www.formula500.com.au> 

Chuck McAbee
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MMauneyJr | 1 Jan 2004 15:51
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Re: We are not alone

Neat stuff!  Of course, they run methanol in their 525cc 2-strokes!?!?!

I also found this interesting article:

http://www.formula500.com.au/release.asp?NewsId=10444

It appears that they've got engine sourcing issues, as well.  In another article, they mention a Polaris
engine being given out as part of the purse, valued at $7K(AUS) in race trim.  That's $5300 US!

I guess we still have the best deal going.....

MM

In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Chuck_McAbee@... writes:

> Did a little Google searching and low and behold we are not 
> the only Formula
> 500 game in the world....Check out the following site
> 
> http://www.formula500.com.au <http://www.formula500.com.au> 
> 
> Chuck McAbee
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Bruce Kapraszewski | 1 Jan 2004 18:22
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Yeah, but they only go in circles! BORING. 

MMauneyJr@... wrote:Neat stuff! Of course, they run methanol in their 525cc 2-strokes!?!?!

I also found this interesting article:

http://www.formula500.com.au/release.asp?NewsId=10444

It appears that they've got engine sourcing issues, as well. In another article, they mention a Polaris
engine being given out as part of the purse, valued at $7K(AUS) in race trim. That's $5300 US!

I guess we still have the best deal going.....

MM

In a message dated 1/1/2004 4:27:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Chuck_McAbee@... writes:

> Did a little Google searching and low and behold we are not 
> the only Formula
> 500 game in the world....Check out the following site
> 
> http://www.formula500.com.au 
> 
> Chuck McAbee
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fmod | 1 Jan 2004 20:00
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Re: Engines et all

Nice, I drove all the way to Kansas from RI to try and win a National
Championship.  In some ways you road racers have it easy, you know at all
times who is in front of you to know if you are winning.  We have to wait to
see if our time is better than the last one or the times of the people who
you are funning against. Even if the run feels great, it can turn out to be
slower than your last run.  Try finding one or two thousands of a seconds
when you need it on a Solo II site that is different every event (we don't
get practice runs).  We bust our butts just as much as anyone does, but we
only get three (3) minutes of running some days if we are lucky!

We had a local club (not SCCA) in NE that ran at Otis Air Force Base on Cape
Cod.  Because they ran the same course many of us had the advantage of
knowing the course, just like if you have when runing a road course for
years.  And talk about fast, my F440 (when it was slow) was faster than the
best C4 that ran there and AM cars were a good 10 seconds faster than me on
a course that would give times of 72 to 98 seconds.  And if you crashed at
this place you took out a small tree, not a stack of tires.  Hit a tree at
sixty or seventy miles per hour and see what it does to any car.

Also, many of us don't road race because of many reasons, but some like
myself have driven real GT40's at well over 150mph and know how to drive in
other than just a Solo II site.

So the point here is all the people who spend the money, time and effort to
run these cars (Solo II isn't as cheap as you may think) should  have a say
in the engine question.  Maybe we should do the strange thing of doing one
vote for one person, that sounds like the American way.

I would still like to see as many of the Rotax engines mentioned legal, but
it is starting to sound like the 493 is the way to go.  I will still be able
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Dave Riddle | 1 Jan 2004 21:05

Re: Engines et all

I agree.  It certainly sounds like the 493 is the engine for the future and 
that being the case let's get it on with it.  I still think the 494 RAVE 
should also be allowed and since it sounds like a number of the front 
runners may be using "cheater" 494 motors now with the unregulated 
mix-and-match system from the RAVE motor, etc... and we are not currently 
doing active policing on that front what does it matter then if the 494 
RAVE is allowed?

Since rumor (note: I said RUMOR) has it that the 493 makes considerably 
more HP than both the 494, 494 RAVE and even a mix and match 494 the front 
runners will all go to that motor anyway.  Since the 493 does not appear to 
have a supply of mix and match parts today let's at least get an approved 
parts list for the 493 so that any mix and match issue is addressed for the 
future.

As most of you know I have an old Red Devil (T-82) with a Kawi and I can 
certainly say that I have been holding off "upgrading" until the motor 
issue is resolved.  I am not planning on putting a Rotax in the current car 
but getting a "newer" car (KBS Mk 7, etc...) . I can obtain a 494 RAVE from 
a local supplier (not an easy thing to do here in the desert Southwest and 
he has two of them!), but I am not going to do that if the RAVE is not 
going to be allowed and with the debate going on about the 493 it would 
make sense to pay the few more dimes to get that motor rather than a 494 
RAVE anyway.

Allowing the 494 RAVE may not help the guys looking to win the Runoffs 
(they will go to the 493) but it would help the guys running Regionals with 
a smaller budget.

>I would still like to see as many of the Rotax engines mentioned legal, but
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Tmtmlnsn7 | 1 Jan 2004 23:10

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sounds like the 493 is the way to go, happy new year to everyone in f500, see 
you this spring, tom tomlinson # 45 KBSMK7
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CHARLES J VOBORIL | 2 Jan 2004 08:56
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Re: Spam Alert: Competition adjustments

That suggests that is another competition preparation that
 a full-service race shop could provide: liposuction!
Chuck
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Richard W Schmidt
  To: f500@...
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:58 PM
  Subject: Re: Spam Alert: [F500] Competition adjustments

  Mark,

  I would love to lighten up my Kawasaki powered car by 25 or 50 lbs, but I
am
  already running at the 800 lb mark. I would have to lose 100 lbs body
  weight.

  Richard

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  From: "Lindsey, Mark" <mlindsey@...>
  To: <f500@...>
  Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 7:08 AM
  Subject: RE: Spam Alert: [F500] Competition adjustments

  > So make the Kawasaki Lighter by 25-50 pounds.  Why affect the majority of
  > the cars that are already set up with the current weight?
  >
  > While interesting to read, for a while anyway.  This entire engine
  > discussion is getting old and offers no new evidence one way or the
other.
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jmelder | 1 Jan 2004 16:27

F500 PARTY AT MOROSO-JANUARY 17, 2003

In keeping with tradition set by O.S. and Greg Brannon, Dolphin Motorsports
will host a dinner party at their new race shop Saturday evening, January 17,
2004.

Race shop located 1 mile east of Moroso.

Please RSVP

Also please note new e-mail address for Jim Elder is jmelder@...
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McAbee, Chuck | 2 Jan 2004 09:36
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RE: F500 PARTY AT MOROSO-JANUARY 17, 2003

memyselfandi motortoyz - party of 1 will attend.

Was looking through your Dolphin Motorsports web site.....quite impressive.

Chuck McAbee
SEDIV #16

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To: f500@...
Subject: [F500] F500 PARTY AT MOROSO-JANUARY 17, 2003

In keeping with tradition set by O.S. and Greg Brannon, Dolphin Motorsports
will host a dinner party at their new race shop Saturday evening, January
17,
2004.

Race shop located 1 mile east of Moroso.

Please RSVP

Also please note new e-mail address for Jim Elder is jmelder@...
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