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Bill Banning | 1 Sep 2003 06:31
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Car Size

Hi All,

I've been lurking for awhile and finally have a question for you. I'm thinking
about an F500/440 for autocross, solo 1, and hillclimbs next year so today I
went to F440 in Canada to drive a car.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to drive
one, but I did get to sit in one.  They have KBS Mark V's.

I have fairly wide shoulders and I've got a VERY tight fit at the shoulder
area. I don't think I could drive for very long with that much pressure
combined with g's and vibration.  So my question.  Are any of the other makes
wider in the shoulder area? I'm going to go back up to drive one, but I'm
hoping some other cars are wider.

Bill Banning
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Dave Riddle | 1 Sep 2003 07:21

Re: Car Size

Some of the cars like the Novakar are very roomy compared to some of the 
other makes.  I would think that you could probably "bend" the bars that 
pass by your shoulders to give you a bit more room.

That said however, not knowing how tall or wide you are I cannot speak for 
how you "should" fit in the car based on your expectations v. reality.  I 
have fairly wide shoulders too and I actually added a little additional 
padding (about 1/2" thick on each side) to the bars on my Red Devil up by 
my shoulders to make sure that I WOULD NOT MOVE in the car.  I also wear 
kneepads and elbow pads and those items along with the poured seat absorb 
almost all the bumps that our cars are "supposed" to force us to endure and 
I must say that I have only gotten out of the car one time feeling that I 
had been beaten up and that was more because the car was an understeering 
and ill-handling pig that day and scared the crap out of me everytime I 
went through the oval at Phoenix.

Of course everyone needs to find their own "comfort" zone in a car but with 
the cars in our class being as "twitchy" as they can be when you are 
balancing the car around a corner with your feet dancing simultaneously on 
the brake and throttle I feel that the tighter the fit and the more laid 
down the position the better you can feel what the car is doing.  I don't 
know if you are like most of us and have come from a sports car background 
but a formula car is worn.  I feel like I am sliding all over the place any 
time I get in a sports car or sportsracer even with the seat belts snugged 
down as much as I can.

The tight cocoon feel of my F500/F440 is very welcome.  I rented a KBS Mk7 
from Chico last year and without having a pored seat in that car I felt 
like I was moving around way too much too.  I guess you will just have to 
decide if the car is too tight (probably bad) or too snug (probably
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McAbee, Chuck | 1 Sep 2003 10:08
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RE: Car Size

KBS chassis are all a snug fit.  When I got my KBS 7 back in 1995 the middle
age spread had not set in and my shoulders had plenty of room, below the
horizontal bars at the shoulder.  Last year with MAS I had to have the bars
tying the main roll hoop and the front roll hoop together replaced at a
different angle to permit me to get my forearms into the driving equation.

F500 cockpits can seem claustrophobic until you actually get in and DRIVE
the cars.  Once you get to actually driving the cars you will assume a
position that works for you.  Until you drive it you can only imagine what's
going to happen.

Chuck McAbee
SEDIV #16

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Banning [mailto:billbanning@...]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 00:32
To: f500@...
Subject: [F500] Car Size

Hi All,

I've been lurking for awhile and finally have a question for you. I'm
thinking
about an F500/440 for autocross, solo 1, and hillclimbs next year so today I
went to F440 in Canada to drive a car.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to drive
one, but I did get to sit in one.  They have KBS Mark V's.

I have fairly wide shoulders and I've got a VERY tight fit at the shoulder
area. I don't think I could drive for very long with that much pressure
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MMauneyJr | 1 Sep 2003 19:04
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Rave 494....

A question - what engines exactly are legal to run?  Is a RAVE engine with 
non-rave liners legal?  A RAVE engine with the ports blocked?  Are RAVE 
cylinders illegal regardless of what else has been done to make them non-RAVE?

TIA,
Marshall Mauney
Steel Cities Region
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bosco | 1 Sep 2003 20:34
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Re: Rave 494....

The only "legal" engines are the non-rave.  Some people block off the rave
ports, but if you get torn down at a national, the motor is illegal.  I
doubt anyone would care at a regional, but its still illegal.  I guess if
you swap the cylinders and noone knew, thats a "legal" motor.  Everything
else is the same on the 2 motors.

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From: <MMauneyJr@...>
To: <f500@...>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: [F500] Rave 494....

> A question - what engines exactly are legal to run?  Is a RAVE engine with
> non-rave liners legal?  A RAVE engine with the ports blocked?  Are RAVE
> cylinders illegal regardless of what else has been done to make them
non-RAVE?
>
> TIA,
> Marshall Mauney
> Steel Cities Region
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jeff.grabowski | 2 Sep 2003 13:22
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Mid Ohio News?

Results anyone?
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Cory McLeod | 2 Sep 2003 16:51

RE: Car Size

Bill,

The KBS cockpits are some of the smallest in the class and I think the Mk5
is the smallest of the small.  Other makes (Red Devil, Novakar, Sidewinder)
have larger cockpits.

Cory 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Banning [mailto:billbanning@...]
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:32 AM
To: f500@...
Subject: [F500] Car Size

Hi All,

I've been lurking for awhile and finally have a question for you. I'm
thinking
about an F500/440 for autocross, solo 1, and hillclimbs next year so today I
went to F440 in Canada to drive a car.  Unfortunately I wasn't able to drive
one, but I did get to sit in one.  They have KBS Mark V's.

I have fairly wide shoulders and I've got a VERY tight fit at the shoulder
area. I don't think I could drive for very long with that much pressure
combined with g's and vibration.  So my question.  Are any of the other
makes
wider in the shoulder area? I'm going to go back up to drive one, but I'm
hoping some other cars are wider.

Bill Banning
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Jeremy Swank | 2 Sep 2003 17:04
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Re: Mid Ohio News?

Track and field was fast.  Should be a great Runoffs despite me not driving 
this year.  Go Jonathan!

Novak
Price
Ellis
Gaver
Jondal
Bymaster
Giesen
Noble
Lozier
Walbran

DNF

Shipp
McCree
Teague
Cook
Grolle

Most of the field was doing 35's with the top two popping off low 33's.  
Novaks got the mojo working for sure this year.

Jeremy Swank

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Brian Novak | 2 Sep 2003 17:05
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Re: Mid Ohio News?

Results From Mid-Ohio:

1.  Brian Novak
2.  Kenny Price
3.  Aaron Ellis
4.  Justin Gaver
5.  Steve Jondal
6.  Mike Bymaster
7.  Rob Giesen
8.  Herb Noble
9.  Jim Lozier
10.  Jack Walbran
11.  Curtis Teague (Car Trouble)
12.  Rusty Cook (Pulled off so he didn't mess with CenDiv points, what a 
gentleman!!)
13.  Carl Grolle (Car Trouble)
14.  Patrick McRee (Car Trouble)
15.  Paul Shipp (Got bumped and lost the chain)

Brian Novak
#56 NovaKar J-9
Hoosier Tires
http://www.hoosiertire.com
HRP Engines and Clutching
http://www.aimsports.com

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ALEX HATFIELD | 2 Sep 2003 18:06
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Re: Car Size

The Dalai Lama said read  it to see if it works for you. Very

interesting.

Just 4 questions  and the answers will surprise you. Do not cheat by

looking up the  answers.

The mind is like a parachute, it works best when it is opened.  This is

fun to do, but you have to follow

the instructions very  closely.

Do not cheat.

MAKE A WISH BEFORE  BEGINNING THE TEST!!

A Warning! Answer the questions as you go along.  There are only four

questions and if you see them

all before  finishing, you will not have honest results. Go down slowly

and

do  each exercise as you scroll

down.
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