David Gill | 1 Apr 03:19 2000
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NEW FUEL RULES

Don't mistake me for a petroleum engineer but, in the spirit of the class,
they can't deny us the opportunity to utilize pump grade gasoline.  After
all, it is what all of the engine providers recommend.  I'm an AMW user and
it is written into our engine manual as a recommendation.

With that said:

At the first ('84) Runoff appearance of F440's (aka F500), a Mr. Leathers
(the eventual inaugural National Champion in a Zink Z-19 powered by a
Kawasaki) was asked to share one of his session's fuel supply with the
scrutineers.  They found an inordinate amount of ALCOHOL in the fuel.  Mr.
Leathers indicated that he had purchased the fuel at a local Atlanta
service station.  According to him, the state of Georgia was utilizing
(maybe permitting) generous quantities of alcohol in their pump gasoline
(remember, "Gasahol").  The scrutineers advised Mr. Leathers to cease using
the fuel and assured him that if they found that much alcohol in his car
after the race, he would be disqualified.  (NOTE:  2-cycles love alcohol).

I will continue to use what I am now using.  It has been tested.  It is
marketed under the brand of "Howell Racing Fuels".

FWIW

dg

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RnRMcElroy | 1 Apr 15:29 2000
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Re: NEW FUEL RULES

>in the spirit of the class,
they can't deny us the opportunity to utilize pump grade gasoline<

On the formula vee mail list there has been several discussions on fuel.  
Here is a recent response from one of the comp board members.

>I don't have the 2000 GCR yet but I don't believe the new rule precludes you
from using street gas. Bob Lybarger can you confirm this.<

>Sorry, But the new rule does state that real race cars must use racing gas,
not pump gas.  This is the only way we could control the hot stuff.
Bob L<

Ron

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Gerald Ryan | 1 Apr 14:45 2000

Re: NEW FUEL RULES

    Does this mean that any fuel classified as or sold as Racing Fuel not
acquired at local pumps can be used? Such as Klozt, Sunoco and on and on...

    Or is there a specific fuel or brand that is specified? As you can see I
did not yet receive my 2000 GCR and I have priced out a specific gravity
fuel tester and they are not cheap. I know there is a specified Gravity
rating that has been given, but now we are at the mercy of the Race Fuel
Distributers! I have used Race fuel with an Oxygenated compounds and found
them to run clean an efficient, does the new fuel ruling say these products
are illeagal too!? This will be my first season competing in the SCCA club
racing circuit and I would like to start off on the right foot! I'm not real
sure if I want to try to keep up with all the year to year rule changes that
I have noticed in the past three years that I have been observing! Racing
the smaller tracks has been fun and hassle free, but I guess if you want to
hit the bigger tracks that is the price we have to pay. Could you elaborate
more on this, Please!?

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> >in the spirit of the class,
> they can't deny us the opportunity to utilize pump grade gasoline<
>
> On the formula vee mail list there has been several discussions on fuel.
> Here is a recent response from one of the comp board members.
>
> >I don't have the 2000 GCR yet but I don't believe the new rule precludes
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I was just recently introduced to F500s by a friend when he suggested we attend the 1999 Runoffs.  Ever since,
we have been planning a team 
and a car.  My father raced circle dirt track for many years and I still keep involved with my family racers.  I
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CWassersle | 3 Apr 06:06 2000
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Re: Digest f500.v001.n683

In a message dated 02/04/2000 7:18:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
f500-errors@... writes:

<<  Does this mean that any fuel classified as or sold as Racing Fuel not
 acquired at local pumps can be used? Such as Klozt, Sunoco and on and on...

     Or is there a specific fuel or brand that is specified? As you can see I
 did not yet receive my 2000 GCR and I have priced out a specific gravity
 fuel tester and they are not cheap. I know there is a specified Gravity
 rating that has been given, but now we are at the mercy of the Race Fuel
 Distributers! I have used Race fuel with an Oxygenated compounds and found
 them to run clean an efficient, does the new fuel ruling say these products
 are illegal too!? This will be my first season competing in the SCCA club
 racing circuit and I would like to start off on the right foot! I'm not real
 sure if I want to try to keep up with all the year to year rule changes that
 I have noticed in the past three years that I have been observing! Racing
 the smaller tracks has been fun and hassle free, but I guess if you want to
 hit the bigger tracks that is the price we have to pay. Could you elaborate
 more on this, Please!?
  >>
I talked to sven pruit at sears point this weekend about fuel. What the scca 
has done is bought into a fuel tester used by the nhra to test fuel at the 
drag races, its a full blown joke. they are going to use a dielectric tester 
by HI desert racing and two "reagents" they are calling "A" and "B", color 
change test for oxygen bearing elements. no one will tell me what reagents a 
and b really are but, i have my wife who is a chemist and compliance analyst 
for a pharmaceutical company working on it. there is NO specific gravity test 
and NO limit to the amount of tetra Ethel lead we can use.  So much our 
health and the health of our familles and children, tetra Ethel lead is about 
as toxic a chemical as you can find but the scca says "use all you want" NO 
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Hester, Dan | 3 Apr 13:33 2000

SCCA losing its vision

wasnt the original intent of this class to be a beginner class , less 
expensive, less restrictive etc. this is ridiculous....
i ususally put forth a positive attitude for the scca but in this case, 
this is bullshit
now along with all my gear i will have to transport 40 gallons of fuel 
along with for who knows how far, racing fuel is twice the price of pump 
gas
and all because of a few cheaters, i feel we are in the military.... one 
guy screws up and we all have to pay for it....how about stricter rules for 
people caught cheating????? suspended from club racing for 3 weekends or 
something....this would be more in order!!!!!!!!!!! not penalize the entire 
group, this is the old school way of fixing a problem!!!!
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE TO THOSE OF US THAT FOLLOW THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Digest f500.v001.n683

A few points:  There is no evidence to my knowledge that leaded fuel exhaust
is any more toxic than unleaded fuel exhaust.  If it were, everyone in the
LA basin would have probably died in the sixties.  Lead was banned because
it fouls catalysts and oxygen sensors, not because of any intrinsic danger
of the exhaust.  MTBE, ethanol, and methanol don't make exhaust cleaner,
except in the rare case of a malfunctioning closed loop or poorly tuned open
loop engine.  In everything else, they just increase the fuel consumption.
And if you want an ecological nightmare, check on the effects of MTBE in
ground water, and how to remove it.

As far as the fuel rule (which I admittedly don't know everything about), I
don't think "ecological" objections hold any water.  Cost may be an issue,
of course depending on how high it is.  Not being able to get GUARANTEED
legal fuel at any track would be a VERY big problem.  Legal fuel mixed with
"normal" 2-stroke oil not passing would also be a problem.

Also, I'm curious as to how using racing gas instead of pump gas would cause
a power drop.  I've used both, and while my experience level isn't very
high, I couldn't tell any difference between them.

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> In a message dated 02/04/2000 7:18:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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> <<  Does this mean that any fuel classified as or sold as Racing Fuel not
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Julie Cook | 3 Apr 16:31 2000

Re: SCCA losing its vision

I think way too much is being read into the new fuel testing rules and people
are getting in an uproar over nothing. In a previous post David Gill has
already stated that the fuel he's running has been tested and passed. David,
was it tested at National? I'm assuming it's unleaded fuel, right? We run 100
octane leaded fuel that we purchase from a local supplier. We don't intend to
change what we've been putting in the cars for the past several years and we
expect that it will pass fuel tests. We'll probably test it at the first
opportunity we get and see if it will pass and if not make whatever changes are
necessary. There may be a problem with unleaded fuels because Denver doesn't
want 'purpose built race cars' to run unleaded fuels. I'll wait to hear what
David Gill's response is.

As far as adding oil to the fuel, drivers with AMW engines are allowed to add
oil because their engines do not have oil injection. Rotax engines are not
allowed to add oil. Give this thing a chance to work out. I haven't seen any
results of fuel testing across the country yet. I know that Sven will be
attending races and will be training Tech DA's so that the DA's can go out and
train the other regions in the division so that eventually there will be fuel
testing at tracks. I know that the St. Louis race coming up at the end of April
will be one of the training races so we'll probably get a chance to see the new
rule in place. I know that Memphis (Mid-South Region)  will be testing fuels as
soon as their Tech workers are trained because Rusty and I gave the region the
money to help buy the equipment, so look for it there.

Give this thing a chance to work itself out, Denver isn't a big bad wolf,
they're trying to do what's right for everyone.

Julie Cook
FineLine Racing

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