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John Prusynski | 1 Mar 2000 02:50

Tires

Hi,
I don't race a F500 but do race a somewhat similar vehicle.  We race truck
bodied 800 pound carts with no suspension.  Wheel base is 52" and length is
75".  We are currently running on trailer tires which we cut the tread off
to flatten them out 18.5 x 8.5 x 8"  We are looking to get away from these
tires and go to slicks and I hoping to get some info about what tires you
all use.  We will have to go to a 10" wheel.  We run 500cc fan cooled
snowmobile engines on a 1/4 mile almost flat oval track.  I see on the
Hoosier web site they have what they call Little Car asphalt tires, any
experience with these? Thanks in advance for any help.

John

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Rick Johnson | 2 Mar 2000 04:39

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Second year racer at Waterford Hills in Waterford, Michigan. I race a 97 Red Devil.

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Jerry Burkholder | 2 Mar 2000 06:44

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Jerry Burkholder says:
Former "Mini Indy" racer (circle track f440) I raced 7 years in Oregon,Washington series with
RedDevil,and Knievel Chassis,440Kawasaki,and 440 Chaparrals.Interested in F500 racing.Recently
did some R&D with BabyGrand Stockcars on oval tracks and roadcourse.

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Ministock1 | 2 Mar 2000 06:51
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Chop???

I'm trying to slowly redo my 85 Red Devil, it apparently has the legal hoops, 
but that appears to be the newest mod to the car. Am I doing the right thing 
trying to update an old car myself, or can I buy a newer chassis that I can 
use these uprights, rims, brakes, etc. on as spares?? I currently race nascar 
ministocks, and this car was acquired because my dream is running Limerock in 
the SCCA. My level of skill on working on this thing is excellent, but when I 
look at the chapparal motor, the ancient suspension, well, it doesn't seem 
like it will be that competitive unless I'm in a lawn tractor race. Is it 
possible to "clip" the car (new front or rear frames to update) or is there a 
better way?? Someone has to have faced this before. Are any cars available in 
kit form, or as bare as possible so I don't have to get a complete new 
roller??  Thanks for any input!

Jeff 

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Brannon, Greg | 2 Mar 2000 15:11
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Jeff,

I would suggest contacting Don Hanley (406-723-3556) to discuss your
dilemma.  He may be able to offer some insight that will help.  Many
advances have been made on the cars since 85 including aerodynamics.  If you
are handy with your MIG, you may be able to incorporate updated shocks and
develop a new suspension design that works better with Don's help.

Unfortunately, no matter what you do to the suspension, the Chaparral will
never be competitive with the Rotax.  Sorry ....  I don't envision that many
spares form the 85 could be used on a newer chassis.

Really depends on what you want to do.  You can get into a competitive Rotax
car somewhere in the $8000 - $10,000 range.  How much would you spend
putting a Rotax in the 85??

Just some food for thought...

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I'm trying to slowly redo my 85 Red Devil, it apparently has the legal
hoops, 
but that appears to be the newest mod to the car. Am I doing the right thing

trying to update an old car myself, or can I buy a newer chassis that I can 
use these uprights, rims, brakes, etc. on as spares?? I currently race
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Eric D. Christensen | 2 Mar 2000 20:18

Re: Chop???

> I'm trying to slowly redo my 85 Red Devil, it apparently has the legal
hoops,
> but that appears to be the newest mod to the car. Am I doing the right
thing
> trying to update an old car myself, or can I buy a newer chassis that I
can
> use these uprights, rims, brakes, etc. on as spares??

Frankly Jeff, and 85 chassis is so old, and so far off the technology curve
of the class that you would probably be ahead of the game selling it to
someone who wants to autocross it and buying a newer chassis. The older
short wheelbase cars are still very popular with the autocross crowd.

The Rotax conversion alone will probably cost you $3000 plus by the time you
buy the engine, carbs, pipe, new clutches, etc. Considering the age of the
car, you'll probably have to replace the seat belts, and very possibly the
fuel cell and fire system.

Then you're still left with an old short wheelbase chassis with no real
suspension. Considering that you can pick up a good regional car for
$6000-$7000, or a nationally competitive car for $8000-$10000, there's
little point in trying to upgrade a dinosaur.

KBS Mk-V and Red Devil T-2x chassis can be had at a very reasonable price,
and are still quite competitive. The KBS in particular is still the dominant
chassis in the class, despite it's age. Mike just built a car that was ahead
of it's time.....

If you're into doing fabrication, you might be able to find a Red Devil T-22
or T-23 for a song. These chassis have a reputation for becoming brittle
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Gerald Ryan | 2 Mar 2000 11:42

Welcome !

Hey Rick, Welcome to the F500 forum! Nice talking with you last night at the
club! Looking forward to seeing what you have done to your car! It is going
to be a awesome year, and sounds like there will be plenty of competition!
Hope to see you with the rest of us rookies at the front of the pack!

Have you made up your mind on the SCCA school at Waterford?
Well got to go, getting ready to head down to Kenny Prices to go through the
car! Wish me luck!

SEE YAH!

Jerry

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David lemon | 3 Mar 2000 19:46

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David lemon says:
I work on hydroplanes and i also i have two fourmula fivehundred race cars which i am going to start racing
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David Lemon | 3 Mar 2000 20:30
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David Gill | 3 Mar 2000 21:15
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Chop???

Part it out and buy a later model car (Red Devil, KBS Mkn, NovaKar, QRE,
etc.).

dg

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