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peterzaterols | 1 Dec 2005 01:40
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Re: Trapped photon

Rob, 

The cases aren't parallel because the boundary conditions are very
different.

Draw a circle (one circumference of the OS and for convention's sake
only, make radial electric pointing outwards positive.  Inward E
vectors are negative.

Start with a node of the sine wave glued to the OS and E vector
positive as you move forwards.  Go once around the entire sphere; you
are back with a node at lambda/2, and the wave amplitude was positive
at all points.  Continuing right around from that first node, the wave
amplitude must now go negative until you've made the second trip
around the circumference.  If you then add amplitudes at all points...
the amplitude is exactly zero everywhere, so the wave destructively
interferes with itself everywhere and can carry no energy.

-pete

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> --- In hydrino@..., "John E Connett" <jeconnett <at> y...> wrote:
> > But it's really quite simple.  A photon trapped resonantly inside 
> > of a spherical cavity cannot have a wavelength which is 
> > larger than the maximal circumference of the cavity. An analogy 
> > is a vibrating string fastened at two points: it cannot vibrate 
> > with a longer half-wavelength than the distance between the 
> > points. Another analogy: you *cannot* get a piccolo to sound 
> > like an eight-foot organ pipe. It is simply too short.
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DAVID MC*MAHON | 1 Dec 2005 03:32
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John,
A problem with your space.com article is you are mixing standard quantum 
mechanics and quantum gravity.

The article is talking about problems with quantum gravity theories. Yes, 
there are lots of problems with those.

However, there are no problems with standard quantum mechanics. It has 
survived every experimental test for 100+ years. Mills is challenging 
standard quantum mechanics with the idea of the hydrino.

Experimental evidence for the vacuum energy is very solid also. That is a 
relativistic effect.

David

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John E Connett | 1 Dec 2005 04:29
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--- In hydrino@..., "rvirkus2000" <r-virkus <at> t...> wrote:
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> --- In hydrino@..., "John E Connett" <jeconnett <at> y...> wrote:
> > But it's really quite simple.  A photon trapped resonantly inside 
> > of a spherical cavity cannot have a wavelength which is 
> > larger than the maximal circumference of the cavity. An analogy 
> > is a vibrating string fastened at two points: it cannot vibrate 
> > with a longer half-wavelength than the distance between the 
> > points. Another analogy: you *cannot* get a piccolo to sound 
> > like an eight-foot organ pipe. It is simply too short.     
> 
> John,
> 
> Help me understand why the string can support a wave with wavelength
> twice the distance of the string while the Orbitsphere cannot support
> a wave of twice the circumference? Imagine the string wrapped around
> itself in a circle with the boundary condition now that the string
> connects to itself. Should the condition still be that one half
> wavelength is contained along the circle thus the maximum wavelength
> can be twice the circumference?
> 

  Rob, 

     A taut string with the two end-points fixed obviously
vibrates in its lowest frequency (the 'ground state') with
tts wavelength equalling twice the distance between the
points.  The end-points act like reflecting barriers.

     Air in a pipe with one end closed will resonate with its
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mystic606 | 1 Dec 2005 09:28
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--- In hydrino@..., "John E Connett" <jeconnett <at> y...> 
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>   The trapped photon is described as being in a 'resonator
> cavity', the orbitsphere.  If this is so, the longest possible
> wavelength it could have inside that cavity is equal to 
> the circumference of the orbitsphere.  The wavelength could be 
> shorter than this circumference (i.e., an integer fraction
> of it, like a higher harmonic) but it cannot be longer.  

I would have thought the trapped photon resonates in harmony with the 
orbitsphere motion regardless of the circumference.  If there were no 
charge and no force of any sort already on the orbitsphere then your 
statement would seem intuitive.

> But it's really quite simple.  A photon trapped resonantly inside 
> of a spherical cavity cannot have a wavelength which is 
> larger than the maximal circumference of the cavity. An analogy 
> is a vibrating string fastened at two points: it cannot vibrate 
> with a longer half-wavelength than the distance between the 
> points. Another analogy: you *cannot* get a piccolo to sound 
> like an eight-foot organ pipe. It is simply too short.

That reasoning should also apply to the orbitsphere motion too, 
shouldn't it?  But that's what differentiates Mills' theory from 
standard thinking.

While what you say is generally true or partially true, one actually 
can generate a vibration which is a submultiple of the distance 
between 2 fixed nodes on a string or physical cavity.  If you've 
experimented with producing such sounds and have measured them using
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Tstolper | 1 Dec 2005 03:30
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In message 10050, John Connett, the biostatistician who liked to roam the 
Internet in drag under the palindromic pseudonym of Nora Baron, made the false 
argument that creation of a hydrino would require a huge input of energy.

Connett's whole argument rested on confusing the concept of a trapped photon 
with the concept of an energy hole.

A trapped photon in CQM is trapped electromagnetic energy.   Trapped photons 
are what cause the excited states of the hydrogen atom (n = 2, 3, 4, etc.)

An energy hole is the special form assumed by the energy deficit created when 
a catalyst absorbs an integer multiple of 27.2 eV from a hydrogen atom, or a 
hydrino.   The energy hole is what causes the reduced effective nuclear charge 
necessary to create a hydrino (n = 1/2, 1/3/, 1/4, etc.), or drop an existing 
hydrino further down the hydrogen ladder, as John Kassebaum has explained, 
for example in his message 10017.   As Kassebaum further explained, an energy 
hole can be thought of as the structural inverse of a trapped photon; but an 
energy hole should not be thought of as a propagating anti-photon.

Tom Stolper
BA math, MA polisci

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john_e_barchak | 1 Dec 2005 14:47
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Richard Saam | 1 Dec 2005 14:53
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DAVID MC*MAHON wrote:

>Experimental evidence for the vacuum energy is very solid also. That is a 
>relativistic effect.
>
>David
>
>_
>
David

Sorry to interject here
but could you provide a reference
or a short math description for:

"vacuum energy as a
relativistic effect"

Thank you

Richard

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John E Connett | 1 Dec 2005 15:13
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--- In hydrino@..., Tstolper <at> a... wrote:
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> In message 10050, John Connett, the biostatistician who liked to
roam the 
> Internet in drag under the palindromic pseudonym of Nora Baron, made
the false 
> argument that creation of a hydrino would require a huge input of
energy.
> 

  Tom,

     I hope that in return you won't mind if I refer to 
you as 'Undoubting Thomas'.

> Connett's whole argument rested on confusing the concept of a
trapped photon 
> with the concept of an energy hole.
> 
> A trapped photon in CQM is trapped electromagnetic energy.   Trapped
photons 
> are what cause the excited states of the hydrogen atom (n = 2, 3, 4,
etc.)
> 

  Assume so.  As I showed in another post, the n = 2 in hydrogen 
involves a trapped photon with an energy of about 1866 eV.
According to Mills and even according to SQM, if there were
indeed such a trapped photon, its energy should be about
10.2 eV.
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Tstolper | 1 Dec 2005 18:22
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Thanks to Charles Pibel for his offline correction of the error in my last 
post (message 10073):   that should read INCREASED effective nuclear charge.   I 
wrote decreased effective nuclear charge, an error that John Kassebaum would 
never make.

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Willie Wong | 1 Dec 2005 20:17
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> > But it's really quite simple.  A photon trapped resonantly inside
> > of a spherical cavity cannot have a wavelength which is
> > larger than the maximal circumference of the cavity. An analogy
> > is a vibrating string fastened at two points: it cannot vibrate
> > with a longer half-wavelength than the distance between the
> > points. Another analogy: you *cannot* get a piccolo to sound
> > like an eight-foot organ pipe. It is simply too short.
>
> That reasoning should also apply to the orbitsphere motion too,
> shouldn't it?  But that's what differentiates Mills' theory from
> standard thinking.
>
> While what you say is generally true or partially true, one actually
> can generate a vibration which is a submultiple of the distance
> between 2 fixed nodes on a string or physical cavity.  If you've
> experimented with producing such sounds and have measured them using
> Fourier Analysis you will generally see that it's impossible to
> create
> a pure harmonic overtone series.  Some subharmonics are always
> present.
>
That is false. Subharmonics are present in physical systems due to
inherent non-linearity of the medium. NO macroscopic known physical
systems is completely described by the free wave equation, which is
what is used as a heuristic to state that  "the lowest (fundamental)
frequency of a vibrating string is that corresponding to a wavelength
twice that of the string length". In a free vibrating string,
generally the non-linearities are small enough to be neglected.

In the situation at hand (for which the string is used as an
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