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Jim | 3 Dec 2004 04:51
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DOE weighs in on cold fusion again ...


Looks like there is something of an offer for funding, although the
reviewers were not ecstatic.

http://www.science.doe.gov/Sub/Newsroom/News_Releases/DOE-SC/2004/low_energy/CF_Final_120104.pdf

Here is what LENR folks had to say about it:

http://www.lenr-canr.org/News.htm

Hopefully, some 'well thought out' experiments will be given a bit of
funding ...

jd

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Luther Setzer | 7 Dec 2004 16:48
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Famous Quote


Folks,

I think Dr. Zimmerman can answer this question, but I shall post it 
to the list.

I recall seeing a famous quote -- from Bohr, I think -- to the effect:

"You have told us more than you can possibly know."

I need the exact quote, its originator, and the context in which the 
person uttered it.

Luke Setzer

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Michael Flora | 7 Dec 2004 18:09
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Re: Famous Quote


> I recall seeing a famous quote -- from Bohr, I think -- to the effect:
> 
> "You have told us more than you can possibly know."
> 
> I need the exact quote, its originator, and the context in which the
> person uttered it.

Actually this was spoken by John Kerry at the beginning of one of the
debates, after G.W. introduced himself.

But seriously folks...

I'm sure most people have heard this already (and it is a little OT
but has been mentioned on this list), however I have not seen it
posted to this list yet.  The DOE has released its long-promised
review of the evidence for cold fusion:

http://www.newenergytimes.com/DOE/DOE.htm

Regards,
M.R.F.

"No, no, you're not thinking.  You're just being logical." -- Neils Bohr

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novel_compound | 7 Dec 2004 19:19
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Re: Famous Quote


Could this be it?

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes that can possibly 
be made in a very narrow field"
--Neils Bohr

[found at www.healthmantra.com/ashwita/quotes-mtoz.htm ]

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john_e_barchak | 7 Dec 2004 20:15
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Re: Famous Quote


This is as close as I could get ==>
The following appears on page 8 of CLEARING UP MYSTERIES - THE 
ORIGINAL GOAL! by E. T. Jaynes:

Bohr's "Copenhagen Theory" held that, even when the QM state vector 
gives only probabilities, it is a complete description of reality in 
the sense that nothing more can ever be known; not because of 
technological limitations, but as a matter of fundamental principle. 
It seemed to Einstein that this completeness claim was a gratuitous 
addition, in no way called for by the facts; and he tried to refute 
it by inventing thought experiments which would enable one to get more
information than Bohr wished us to have. Somehow, the belief has been 
promulgated that Bohr successfully answered all of Einstein's 
objections.

The paper can be found at:

http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/articles/cmystery.pdf#search=clearing%20up%20mysteries

Regards
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Ron Howard | 7 Dec 2004 23:21

RE: Re: Famous Quote


No, the quote was, "There's something afoot at the Circle K". Hope this puts
this to rest.

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This is as close as I could get ==>
The following appears on page 8 of CLEARING UP MYSTERIES - THE 
ORIGINAL GOAL! by E. T. Jaynes:

Bohr's "Copenhagen Theory" held that, even when the QM state vector 
gives only probabilities, it is a complete description of reality in 
the sense that nothing more can ever be known; not because of 
technological limitations, but as a matter of fundamental principle. 
It seemed to Einstein that this completeness claim was a gratuitous 
addition, in no way called for by the facts; and he tried to refute 
it by inventing thought experiments which would enable one to get more
information than Bohr wished us to have. Somehow, the belief has been 
promulgated that Bohr successfully answered all of Einstein's 
objections.

The paper can be found at:

http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/articles/cmystery.pdf#search=clearing%20up%20myst
eries
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jimgolian | 8 Dec 2004 07:18
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Alternative Energy Using Classical Newtonian Physics Invented by a Highschooler


BlackLight power or ocean waves power?

I thought the article below was interesting.  It's curious that no one
thought of this idea before.  The highschool kid used the rocking
motion of a wave to make a gyroscope turn a generator (I think that's
how it works from looking at the picture.)

"Aaron Goldin created the Gyro-Gen concept for extracting power from
ocean waves by combining his love of gyroscopes and oceanography,"
said judge Dr.Richard Miles, Professor, Department of Mechanical and
Aerospace Engineering, Princeton University. "He has taken an
innovative application of gyroscopic principles and turned it into a
reality, demonstrating great independence and originality.

*** "With further development, his concept may be scalable to large
off-shore power generation as a replacement for fossil fuel power
plants." ***

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20041206-1027-winner.html

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peterzaterols | 8 Dec 2004 20:25
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Re: Famous Quote


One more comment: I heard the Bohr quote from Felix Bloch (discoverer
of NMR) when he was reminiscing about his days at the Bohr Institute
as a post doc.  

-pz

--- In hydrino@..., "Luther Setzer" <luthersetzer <at> y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I think Dr. Zimmerman can answer this question, but I shall post it 
> to the list.
> 
> I recall seeing a famous quote -- from Bohr, I think -- to the effect:
> 
> "You have told us more than you can possibly know."
> 
> I need the exact quote, its originator, and the context in which the 
> person uttered it.
> 
> 
> Luke Setzer

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peterzaterols | 8 Dec 2004 20:22
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Re: Famous Quote


I know the gist of the quote, "you have told us more than you realize"
"you have told us more than you know" "you have told us more than you
understand."  And I've heard it at least those 3 ways.  Remember that
it is a translation from Danish and that words don't always translate
exactly (and I don't have the Danish text in front of me or I would
make a personal stab) -- so all 3 or even other variants are possible.

It was Bohr's standard put-down for pretentious folks who came to give
a seminar and then blew it badly with flawed theory or bad
experimental data.  It was probably said on dozens of occasions, and
became a sort of trademark of the Bohr Institute.  It was as
characteristic of Bohr as Eugene Wigner's lead in was: "I'm just a
poor chemical engineer, and I don't quite see..."  (Wigner's undergrad
degree was in ChemE).  The speaker could then expect a question that
would rip the guts out of what he was doing.

--pz

--- In hydrino@..., "Luther Setzer" <luthersetzer <at> y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I think Dr. Zimmerman can answer this question, but I shall post it 
> to the list.
> 
> I recall seeing a famous quote -- from Bohr, I think -- to the effect:
> 
> "You have told us more than you can possibly know."
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peterzaterols | 9 Dec 2004 04:26
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The most devastating such incident I personally saw was my last year
in grad school.  A young theorist from Lockheed came to Stanford to
talk on some solid state problem or other.  He failed to do his
research, and failed to note that the front (murderer's) row was full
of the top people including 3 Nobel winners (or soon-to-win).  Crusty
old Bloch was there, and there came a point in the presentation
whenthe speaker said "we get from line A to line B by a simple
transformation"

Bloch sticks up his and and wholly honestly & politely says "I'm
sorry; I don't see it.  Could you show how you do it?"  "But it's a
trivial application of Bloch's theorem; do you see it now?"  "I must
be getting old; I don't see it (neither did anybody else).  "But sir,
it's a trivial application of Bloch's theorem; surely you've heard of
that."

Tall old Swiss gentleman in murderer's row stands slowly to full 6'3"+
altitude, looks with scorn on he presenter and says, "Heard of it? 
Heard of it?  It's named for me.  I discovered it."

Sound of disappointed speaker folding his notes and walking out half
an hour early, his head held as high as possible, which was pretty low.

-pz

I walked out resolved to know who would be in any audience I faced and
to be certain that I could guess their Q's and interpolations during
my talk unless I thought I were on shaky ground.  I haven't been
caught  since.  No, I wasn't Bloch's victim this time around.
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