7 Sep 2004 04:19
9 Sep 2004 01:49
New BLP paper
Mike Carrell <mikec <at> s.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-08 23:49:36 GMT
2004-09-08 23:49:36 GMT
"Evidence of Catalytic Production of Hot Hydrogen in RF Generated Hydrogen/Argon Plasmas." Principal investigator is Jonathan Phillps at the U of New Mexico Ferris Engineering Center [nuclear engineering], with Chen and Mills at BLP. The paper is detailed and continuing investigation of line broadening as a function of time, pressure, gas mix and observation position in the reactor. Over 1500 spectra were collected and analyzed. The reactor is a GEC cell 36 cm long and 14 cm ID, with parallel, centrally located, disc electrodes spaced 1 cm apart and excited with 13.6 MHz RF. Line broadening was observed in H2/Ar mixtures and pure H2, both upstream and downstream 15 cm from the ionization zone. By fitting gaussian curves to the measured h alpha lines, it was possible to identify emissions from hot (>10 eV), warm (<3 eV) and cold (0.2 eV) H atoms. Mills-type reactions producing energies in these categories were identified. >From the structure of the experiment, line broadening was clearly due to doppler effect from BLP reactions and not to any other causes. The paper is quite detailed and requires careful study. Mike Carrell [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
10 Sep 2004 16:50
The Silence
Nora Baron <norabaron <at> h.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 14:50:43 GMT
2004-09-10 14:50:43 GMT
I am curious to know why postings to the HSG, particularly from the True Believer side, have dropped almost to zero - has Someone suggested that the ongoing discussions should be ignored, or what? I realize Luke Setzer has probably been preoccupied or possibly (electronically) disabled by an unusual hurricane season, with more to come. In fact, I would love to read a first-hand description from Luke of what conditions have been. I know it's off-topic, unless you regard hurricanes as a plentiful source of Free Energy - Nora B. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
10 Sep 2004 17:54
Re: The Silence
Luther Setzer <luthersetzer <at> y.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 15:54:27 GMT
2004-09-10 15:54:27 GMT
--- In hydrino@..., "Nora Baron" <norabaron <at> h.yahoo.invalid> wrote: > I realize Luke Setzer has probably been preoccupied or possibly > (electronically) disabled by an unusual hurricane season, > with more to come. In fact, I would love > to read a first-hand description from Luke > of what conditions have been. I know it's off-topic, > unless you regard hurricanes as a plentiful source of > Free Energy. Meteorologists tell us that hurricanes serve as Nature's way of releasing excess heat buildup in the atmosphere, transforming thermal energy into kinetic energy when then dissipates into destructive energy via massive entropy upon landfall. Frances delivered some entropy to my home in the form of a loss of one third to one half of my shingles followed by a commensurate set of leaks through the roof and ceiling into my normally dry living space. Now my house smells like a basement. The energy-saving thick layers of fiberglass insulation throughout the roof of my house harbor dirty rain water incubating massive cultures of mold. I anxiously await the backlog of even worse damage in other areas to clear so I can get an estimate from various repair specialists for rectifying this damage. I cannot whine too much. Many others had much worse losses largely due to the staying power of Frances as she lay on top of us and ground upon us. Call her the weather rapist. At least I can still live in my house and at least I only went about a day without power.(Continue reading)
10 Sep 2004 19:34
Re: The Silence
Mike Carrell <mikec <at> s.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 17:34:22 GMT
2004-09-10 17:34:22 GMT
Nora wrote: > I am curious to know why postings to the HSG, particularly from the True > Believer > side, have dropped almost to zero - has Someone suggested that the ongoing > discussions should be ignored, or what? Dear me, am I "zero" or "almost zero", or has Nora been paying attention? What I find equally interesting is the deep silence which followed my last Lurker Advisory concerning confirmations of BLP phenomena by other investigators, namely Conrads and Phillips. Silence also follows my short review of the new Phillips/Cehn/Mills paper posted on the site, again work done at the University of Newe Mexico with a GEC cell. Mike Carrell
10 Sep 2004 20:35
Re: The Silence
woogie_the_cat <cpibel <at> a.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 18:35:11 GMT
2004-09-10 18:35:11 GMT
--- In hydrino@..., "Mike Carrell" <mikec <at> s.yahoo.invalid> wrote: > Nora wrote: > > > I am curious to know why postings to the HSG, particularly > > from the True Believer side, have dropped almost to zero - has > > Someone suggested that the ongoing discussions should be > > ignored, or what? > > Dear me, am I "zero" or "almost zero", or has Nora been paying > attention? > What I find equally interesting is the deep silence which followed > my last Lurker Advisory concerning confirmations of BLP phenomena > by other investigators, namely Conrads and Phillips. Silence also > follows my short review of the new Phillips/Cehn/Mills paper > posted on the site, again work done at the University of Newe > Mexico with a GEC cell. > > > Mike Carrell Conrads published his work with Mills, as did Phillips. The Rowan work was done with Jannsen (spelling) who did his MS thesis based upon work done at HydroCatalysis. Is this really independent? Who paid for the work at U. New Mexico/Los Alamos? Usually in papers of this sort, there is a requirement that if Federal funds were used in support of the work that a reference to a grant/project number be included in the acknowledgments. If the money for the research came from the University, it is usually acknowledged in the paper, as well. [Make the Dean happy.](Continue reading)
10 Sep 2004 21:10
Reply to: HSG #8483, Re: The Silence
Nora Baron <norabaron <at> h.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 19:10:58 GMT
2004-09-10 19:10:58 GMT
Reply to: HSG #8483, Re: The Silence --- In hydrino@..., "Mike Carrell" <mikec <at> s.yahoo.invalid> wrote: >Nora wrote: > > > I am curious to know why postings to the HSG, particularly from the True > > Believer > > side, have dropped almost to zero - has Someone suggested that the >ongoing > > discussions should be ignored, or what? > >Dear me, am I "zero" or "almost zero", or has Nora been paying attention? Mike, Given that the number of posters has to be an integer, you (one poster on that side of the fence) are as close to zero as you can get without actually being zero. No, seriously, you're not a zero or almost a zero, and I was paying attention. I have not read the Philips et al. paper, but I notice that you mentioned that there is line-broadening when only pure H2 is present. Doesn't this go right against Mills' claims that the only way hydrinos can be formed in the lab is in the presence of catalysts? This in turn seems to undercut some of the theory: the main reason hydrinos have not been observed previously is that the required conditions for formation usually do not occur: hydrogen + an appropriate catalyst in sufficient quantity (argon, e.g.) + ionizing conditions. Looks like either you don't actually need the catalyst, or else the line-broadening(Continue reading)
10 Sep 2004 21:39
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Ron Howard <rhoward <at> c.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 19:39:38 GMT
2004-09-10 19:39:38 GMT
I'd like to know why the post I sent yesterday referencing a great article in the 'Wall Street Journal" that I think everyone would have been interested in, was not posted. Talk to me moderator. [Uh... What post? Sometimes these things disappear into cyberspace. --LS]
10 Sep 2004 23:18
Re: The Silence
mhuemoeller <mhuemoeller <at> e.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 21:18:19 GMT
2004-09-10 21:18:19 GMT
--- In hydrino@..., Ron Howard <rhoward <at> c.yahoo.invalid> wrote: > I'd like to know why the post I sent yesterday referencing a great article > in the 'Wall Street Journal" that I think everyone would have been > interested in, was not posted. Talk to me moderator. > > [Uh... What post? Sometimes these things disappear into cyberspace. --LS] I know which piece you are talking about Ron. It was about the Raytheon Corps research division they call the "Bike Shop". In the article they were mostly focused on a UAV that can stay aloft for days at a very low cost high altitude etc. In the article it mentions that while being given the tour the writer was shown three test tubes of a very secretive nature. He was told that what was in the test tubes would totally change everything we know in our current understanding about how electrons work. They would tell him no more. But it made me think about our discussion here as well. What was in the test tubes? Perhaps some hydrino componds? Interesting article though. If anybody has some contacts at Raytheon maybe you can ask about this. MH
10 Sep 2004 23:32
Re: Re: The Silence
Mike Carrell <mikec <at> s.yahoo.invalid>
2004-09-10 21:32:48 GMT
2004-09-10 21:32:48 GMT
Charles wrote: Conrads published his work with Mills, as did Phillips. The Rowan work was done with Jannsen (spelling) who did his MS thesis based upon work done at HydroCatalysis. Is this really independent? +++Depends on your definition of "independant", which can be pushed to the point that only determined enemies being sued by BLP could be considered independant. In the Phillips and Conrads cases, The observations were not done at BLP labs or with instruments used inother reports. In the case of Jannsen, he used a Calvet calorimeter on Hydrocatalysis premises, but did the work himself. Who paid for the work at U. New Mexico/Los Alamos? Usually in papers of this sort, there is a requirement that if Federal funds were used in support of the work that a reference to a grant/project number be included in the acknowledgments. If the money for the research came from the University, it is usually acknowledged in the paper, as well. [Make the Dean happy.] The lack of any such acknowledgment, leads me to believe that this was a work-for-hire from BLP. Nothing wrong with this. Even the tobacco companies give money to Universities to pay for tobacco- related research. I would argue though that this does not quite seem like independent replication of results. Especially when Mills is a co-author on the papers-in-question. +++I believe I did state that the degree of independance would not satisfy you or Peter. Sponsorship does not falsify their results, either.(Continue reading)
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