John Collier | 21 May 2013 16:19
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Re: Fw: RE: CSP in Time Reborn by Lee Smolin

At 05:28 AM 5/15/2013, Matt Faunce wrote:


Peirce, in saying "Certainly dogs do, occasionally, really reason", either considered animals capable of forming ideas, or he considered the interaction of feelings and action to be sufficient to be called reason. Since he wrote that for a mental process to be considered reason it must be "deliberate," "under conscious control," and "open to self-criticism," it must be the former, viz., he thought dogs could form ideas, and therefore also thought "nearly all animals" are capable of forming ideas.

It seems to me that "deliberate", "under conscious control" and "open to self-criticism" don't necessarily go together. I do lots of things while driving, for example, that I really don't think are under conscious control, but I would call them deliberate. (I'd probably have an accident if I paid attention to every deliberate motion while driving!) Self-criticism seems to me to apply quite well to inferred reasoning we may have made, which isn't conscious. We certainly don't have to infer that a white table is white consciously, but we can know it if someone just refers to a white table. I would guess that most of our thought isn't aware, somewhat more is deliberate, and even more is open to self-criticism. Do you think Peirce required all three together to be reason?

John


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Anny Ballardini | 20 May 2013 21:49
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Re: Fw: RE: CSP in Time Reborn by Lee Smolin

Gene, Michael, List,


although I think that what Michael Shapiro has been accomplishing is a major work in Linguistics, I am instinctively drawn to oppose the idea of a "blueprint for the structure of the universe" in language. I have already underlined my opening towards an animism that does not have a structural configuration to be confirmed, yet.
This time I would like to quote the following from The Norton Anthology of Theory and Criticism, pp. 1290-1302 - Lacan: "What one ought to say is: I am not wherever I am the plaything of my thought; I think of what I am where I do not think to think." Which might go beyond thought, as thought is, formulated in words. 
Since where I am is a place not defined by my thought defining me, then there are no words, therefore there is no blueprint of the universe in language, because that would be a copy of where I am not.
If language is the key, be it mathematical, musical, linguistic, then Derrida is here to deconstruct it all. While we know that Peirce instead constructed. But he did it in a way that joined all the disciplines, although he would have loved Michael Shapiro's acute and hard-won observations. 
Not to make of them one only finality, but to join them to the other ones, and to perfection them by transposing the same methodologies. There is no one best, this I think is his fundamental lesson.

Mathematicians on this list have often declared that mathematics is the only way out. Others that Language is. I do not think so.

My best wishes, 
Anny 

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Eugene Halton <Eugene.W.Halton.2 <at> nd.edu> wrote:


Michael Shapiro wrote: “From my own parochial perspective as a linguist, if all thought is in language and, moreover, evolution has fitted us to make the right guesses about the universe (all of which are grounded in language), then one is tempted to say that the structure of language (as a global phenomenon) ought to be a blueprint for the structure of the universe.”

 

Re “if all thought is in language,” meaning linguistic, compare with this critique of language analysis by writer Stanislaw Lem, in his novel, His Master’s Voice, where a mathematician muses on something he calls “surfacing,” which Peirce called abduction:

            “I had to laugh, for instance, at the assurance of those who determined that all thought was linguistic. Those philosophers did not know that they were creating a subset of the species, i.e., the group of those not gifted mathematically. How many times in my life, after the revelation of a new discovery, having formulated it so solidly that it was quite indelible, unforgettable, was I obliged to wrestle for hours to find for it some verbal suit of clothes, because the thing had been born, in me, beyond the pale of all language, natural or formal?

            I call this phenomenon surfacing. It defies description, because what emerges from the unconscious with difficulty, slowly, finds nests of words for itself; it exists as an entity before it settles inside those nests; yet I can give no indication, no hint, to explain in precisely what form that non- and pre-verbalness appears; it is heralded only by a keen presentiment that the expectation of it will not be in vain.”

 

This quotation also reminds me of Peirce claiming that mathematics, rather than English, was his native language. So my question to Michael is, do you allow that mathematics is a non-linguistic language? And would you allow that non-verbal music qualifies as a non-linguistic language?

            Gene Halton

 



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Harley Myler | 19 May 2013 21:40

Tomorrow is "World Metrology Day"

List,

CSP would have been mid-thirties when the Metre Convention was signed in 1875. Was he involved in any way?

> Measurement Specialties Recognizes World Metrology Day (May 20)
> 
> May 20 is World Metrology Day, commemorating the anniversary of the signing of the Metre Convention in
1875. This treaty provides the basis for a coherent measurement system worldwide. 
> 
> In the course of a typical day, it is surprising how often Measurement Specialties' products come into
play, whether monitoring vehicle engine performance, controlling temperature in appliances or
undergoing a blood pressure check. These, and countless other activities in daily life, require
measurements of one sort or another. Not surprisingly, most people are unaware that in the background
there is a worldwide community specializing in metrology, the science of measurements, making sure it
all works. Everybody depends on this community to do its job, and to do it well. 
> 
> Across the world, national metrology institutes continually advance measurement science by
developing and validating new measurement techniques at whatever level of sophistication is needed.
They also participate in comparisons coordinated by the Bureau International des Poids et Mesures
(BIPM) to ensure the reliability of measurement results worldwide. 

--H. R. Myler, Ph.D.,P.E.
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Harley Myler | 19 May 2013 21:11

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Tschaepe,Mark | 19 May 2013 02:12

Eisele's Historical Perspectives on Peirce's Logic of Science

Dear members of the Peirce List,

I am attempting to locate a copy of Eisele's set on Peirce's Logic of Science (specifically V.2), and having no luck finding anything that is under a few hundred dollars. My institution's library does not have it, and it is checked out at the nearby academic institutions. Does anyone have a .pdf of this that they would be willing to share? I am attempting to locate very specific manuscripts: MS 475; MS 595; MS 692; MS 873. Even if Eisele's book is unavailable, if someone is willing to share transcripts of these manuscripts, I would appreciate it greatly. Please respond off-list.

Thank you so much,

Mark Tschaepe

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Stefan Berwing | 19 May 2013 01:32
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quincuncial projection

List,

for those interested in Peirce cartographics endeavors.

I am a fan of the quincuncial projection and i want to use it in a 
thematic mapping project.

Therefore i started to search the net how to transform vector data from 
WSG84 to the peirce quincunx. Unfortunatly the standard projecting 
library proj4 doesn't support it. But i now found out that the d3js-api 
supports it.

http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/4310087
https://github.com/d3/d3-plugins/tree/master/geo/projection

Best
Stefan

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Ben, Matt, List,
The two posts referred to below were excerpted from two of my papers. The PDFs are available on my blog, in case anyone wishes to see the bigger picture, including a reformulation of the structure of language, and how language remains both stable and changing (in the spirit of Peirce's conception of semeiosis).

Michael

P. S.
All the recent talk about frogs without heads, etc. is a red herring. I refer you to my post "Homo figurans" for a short discussion of the role that troping plays in human cognitive activity. To repeat: no other living creature on this earth is capable of MEANING BY INDIRECTION. This is what distinguishes human beings and endows our cognition with power via our language.
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Matt, list,

I've suspected that what Michael Shapiro had in mind, in pointing to language as a "global phenomenon" as a blueprint for the universe, was something like that which he discussed in two recent posts of his:

"Diagrams and Diagrammatization in Language" http://languagelore.net/?p=2233

"The Telos of Linguistic Change" http://languagelore.net/?p=2248

at his blog Language Lore http://languagelore.net/ .

Best, Ben

On 5/17/2013 8:49 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:

On 5/15/13 12:04 AM, Gary Richmond wrote:
Meanwhile, I hope we'll all keep in mind Michael's original question.

Michael Shapiro wrote:
From my own parochial perspective as a linguist, if all thought is in language and, moreover, evolution has fitted us to make the right guesses about the universe (all of which are grounded in language), then one is tempted to say that the structure of language (as a global phenomenon) ought to be a blueprint for the structure of the universe.
I'm driving myself crazy trying to scrutinize this. I'm done. This is the best I can do:

If the universe is the ultimate potential of thought, and if thought's sole medium is language (in the widest sense), and if we can study structure of language, then the structure of language ought to be used as a blueprint to the structure of the universe. If it's true that science is progressing, (which means that enough generals are real for knowledge (which is via language) to progress,) then given the above assumptions, our blueprint will eventually become true. (Our "inward light" via abduction is the mode in which science progresses, it's not necessary to know the mode for the rest to be true.  Here I swapped "evolution has fitted us to make the right guesses" with the more direct statement "science progresses."

This above paragraph seems to make the assumption that the structure of today's language will be the same when the final opinion of the structure of the universe is realized.
   We might say that structure of the ultimate potential of language is the blueprint of the universe. This is unsatisfactory to me, because we will never be able to study the ultimate potential of language, so it's a vacuous thought--i.e. thinking that the unreachable potential of language is the blueprint to the universe.
   We might then say that the final opinion on the structure of language will be the blueprint for the structure of the universe, but when we get there we won't know it. Nonetheless, if we treat it as true all along, it will finally serve us well when we're there. This might explain Michael's use of "ought."

I'm uncomfortable with the assumption that thought will be tied to language when the final opinion of the structure of the universe is reached. Maybe language will be exhausted well before the universe is known and the perfection of something else, like expressions of love, will be needed to take us the rest of the way. Then again, maybe expressions of love will be, or is, subsumed into what is language in the widest sense.

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Anny Ballardini | 17 May 2013 18:52
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My PhD

Dear Gary Richmond,

Dear Ben Udell,

Dear Peirce-L list,

 

A couple of days ago I finally defended my PhD thesis at the University of Verona in Anglo-American Language and Literature. The title:


From Charles S. Peirce to Contemporary Poetry: a Semiotic Analysis


After three years, the positive outcome is now official.


Why Charles S. Peirce? Fact is that I was moved from the Literature Department to Linguistics under the supervision of my great Professor, Cesare Gagliardi, who has been a good friend and an outspoken adviser up to now. I therefore had to "invent" a discipline [Linguistics] in a very short time and got to the rudimentary notions and distinctions between semiology (De Saussure) and semiotics (Charles S. Peirce), which is fundamentally the distinction between the European and the American culture. This is what I have realized while studying what I had previously written.


Which contemporary poetry? I first chose Ashbery’s Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror, not only because I have always loved this long poem, but because it somehow keeps me within my fundamental research which aims at drawing bridges between my two cultures as an Italo-American living at times in Italy, at times in the U.S.A. and fundamentally feeling an expat everywhere [well, this in nihilistic and existential terms, as a matter of fact I enjoy two cultures, three if you consider that I reside in South Tyrol, a bilingual province: German-Italian, to which a third minority group has to be added: Ladin].


My second mentor was supposed to be Steve McCaffery, unluckily [how many unluckily have correlated my studies?] because of a bureaucratic mis-procedure what was for me a highly wished-for mentorship did not materialize. But Steve was so kind to direct me to the reading of Pierce-Arrow by Susan Howe, and her longer poem allowed me to assemble my First Chapter. For those who are not acquainted with her work, I dearly suggest it.


Another “unlucky” factor was given by the position of the Ex-Director of the PhD students towards my work [a very passionate lady who wanted to push forward her own students] who had to resign from her post round November. The new Director just signed the papers and finally allowed for the freedom I needed in shaping my work, but it was a little too late. That is why my intention is to revise thoroughly my writing and consider then a possible publication, although – seen the vastness of the material – I think that my thesis can stand its own ground even as it is.


I add this further qualification to my previous

-         --- MFA with a specialization in Creative Writing, UNO, University of New Orleans; and to my very first degree as a

-          ---Simultaneous Interpreter and Translator at the Scuola Superiore per Interpreti e Traduttori in Florence [English, Italian, French].

I am setting myself now officially on the market, if per chance you know of any openings that require someone with my degrees or course of studies, I would be very grateful if you forward them my way.


Should you wish to read my thesis as it is, I will send you the .pdf file.  In my Introduction, the only part I finally felt free to write as I wanted, I acknowledge among the many the Peirce-L list, both Ben and Gary, and especially Kirsti Maattaanen who has gracefully helped me out, Nathan Houser – his writing is superb and just so easily accessible, Michael Shapiro who directed me to books to read – precious in the outline of my thought, Jerry Chandler who advised me to get to Lizska and read my thesis in its entirety, and many more.


Again Thank You to you all, I am fundamentally happy for all the mishaps in my studying career because they have led me to Peirce, an appointment I had postponed for years, since when I first had to write on Derrida for my MFA. As I have stated in my Introduction, I feel that I am just at the beginning and my work will imply much more commitment and a continuation.


My best wishes,


Anny

 

 



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Benjamin Udell | 16 May 2013 17:53
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Thanks, Søren, that's a great resource. I had failed to realize that there would be book-price comparison sites on the Web. I just found some others:

BookFinder4U

FindBookPrices.com

BookFinder.com seems to omit Barnes & Noble, but maybe the other sites omit some booksellers too. 

Google search on Compare book prices

https://www.google.com/search?q=Compare+book+prices

Best, Ben


On 5/16/2013 10:58 AM, Søren Brier wrote:

Dear all


Always look at www.bookfinder.com to find the cheapest offer.

Best

                Søren  http://www.cbs.dk/en/node/254737


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John Collier | 16 May 2013 13:21
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Re: Fw: RE: CSP in Time Reborn by Lee Smolin

At 06:37 AM 5/16/2013, Matt Faunce wrote:
On 5/14/13 11:28 PM, Matt Faunce wrote:
3. An idea to act forms. This is the feeling to act converted to one or more signs which are passed between different agents in the mind. This is the completion of the abduction.

"Convert" was the wrong word. I'm not a very good writer. The feeling is obviously still there, so the feeling isn't converted to a sign--that's not what I meant. This mistake is pertinent to the subject because my choosing a word that was obviously wrong hindered my thoughts on the matter. I tripped on how a sign is formed. I suppose the answer to how a sign is formed is hidden in the evolution of matter into intelligent life. Maybe the sign is always there in all species but the interpreting agents only form in more intelligent species. Or probably, signs and agents appear together in higher animal species and aren't there in lower. This might be better:
3. Because of the feeling to act, one or more signs of the feeling are formed in the mind, which are interpreted by different agents in the mind. These interpretations are simply demands for certain actions. In humans, the frontal lobe, the executive of the mind, assesses these interpretations and decides whose demand is most important, so the dialog is between the agents and the executive, not agent to agent.

I'm not sure how various animal brains are formed. Humans have a frontal lobe...

All mammals have frontal lobes. Birds do not, but have an analogous organ (that is a technical term in biology for a trait with similar function but different evolutionary derivation -- convergent evolution).

John
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Hal Orbach had attempted to make the post on Nikola Tesla below in mid-April, but apparently it did not go through to the list. He asked me to forward it to the list.

Gene Halton

 

 

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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nikola Tesla

 

Anny, Jaime and Peirce-L contributors,

 

The Tesla volume has a mechanical inked imprint on page 'v' stating

it was a gift from Mrs. Charles S. Peirce, one of a large number

that were given to the library eventually along with manuscripts

that were in his home at Milford, as a result of the efforts of

Josiah Royce to preserve Peirce's work and library. 

 

The manuscripts remained for a long time in the possession of the Philosophy Department and a number of people have written about the poor condition in which they were kept, indeed "used" and "abused"

simply "lying about" in the Department's rooms.  There is no "seal"

or "personal dedication" from Juliette Peirce in the book as one

can see from the pages of the google ebook by simply entering the search term 'Peirce' which reveals two occurrences.  The other on

page 'iv' which is not "pictured" as is page 'v' contains the publication information normally on the verso of a title page.

 

Peirce may have obtained the copy as part of his own failed

attempts to develop "practical" applications for some of his

ideas about using natural elements (waterfalls) and "discovered"

phenomena (acetylene gas) to produce energy for various industrial

money-making purposes (e.g., electric bleaching, making glue and street lighting).  This was during a period, from the early 1890s

on, described in Brent's biography (pp.250 ff.) when Peirce was thinking of schemes where his scientific knowledge could secure

him great profits, such as were being realized by many of the newly

enriched of New York.  It was a time while he was borrowing money wherever he could and at the same time being sued in Milford for non-payment of debts that caused him eventually to have to flee

the area to avoid court suits and potential jail, living in New

York in eventual abject poverty, which reached a low point c.1895

when Juliette was ill, required hospitalization that eventuated

in a hysterectomy. During this period, Peirce's attempt to involve

his politician cousin Lodge, Judge Russell, friends, and various entrepreneurs associated with the Century Club of Manhattan in

some of his schemes failed to materialize.  This was at the same

general time that Tesla was working for Edison, quitting when

Edison failed to adequately compensate him for his work and then

began a series of associations with electric and other companies

that were interested in his plans for creating electric power and using his discovery of practical generators producing alternating current that led to successful harnessing of the Niagara river and falls near Massena, NY, for street lighting, just where Peirce had thought of the same thing as early as 1893, but without a successful model or any backing.

 

It is somewhat interesting that the major contributors to the

Peirce-L in the last few years (which has led to the self

analysis of why the discussions have been dominated by a few

persons and whether there should be limits) have largely

abandoned efforts to understand the context and historical circumstances in which Peirce lived hand and mouth in New York, according to Brent for a time reduced to living on the streets,

asking for books to review for meager sums, etc.  Perhaps, and I

haven't seen the list developed by Ketner of all the books Peirce reviewed in The Nation, Tesla's book was one of these.  In any

case, some of Peirce's grandiose proposals for volumes and

histories et al., of this period, which were never completed

were attempts to raise money to survive and be able to return

and secure Arisbe again which was under a mortgage which provided

that sans tenant it could be sold, but was not because there was

no buyer.  In one example cited by Brent, p.242, a sheriff's sale

of Peirce's household possessions to pay off debts largely

incurred in improvements to Arisbe is quoted that describes many

of his library books, equipment and instruments for sale.  The

lot was bought by his brother James Mills who saved what he could

and returned them to Peirce, also saving Arisbe by securing a mortgage, making many payments on it, and attempting to get Peirce lectures at Harvard and some of his works published through his father's publisher.  Even while still at Milford in 1893-4, Brent quotes from Peirce's attempts to secure loans and money from a

number of friends and at one point quotes a letter in which Peirce describes being near starvation before Langley in Washington sent

him some money and some work (pp.241-2).

 

This apart from his earlier years when suffering attacks of a

disabling neuralgia made him a heavy user of opiates -- also

discussed by Ketner in the context of his first "secret" marriage

to a very young Boston girl where he was very manipulative and dominating of her, talking her into a hidden marriage by a written contract he drew up following an "oral" one, during which they obviously lived apart (1860-61); a marriage that she ended and returned most of his letters to her (and apparently destroyed some others) and he was supposed to return her letters but didn't (cf. His Glassy Essence, pp. 213ff., and Ketner's footnotes that cite

the file that Max Fisch uncovered and is part of his archive at The Peirce Project in Indianapolis.)

 

I also noted, but did not have time previously to reply to concerns that link his religious views to his father and other family, that neglect the influence of his "old friend" Francis Ellingwood Abbot

who as a leader in the "Free Religion" movement of the Unitarian Church (cf. his Scientific Theism, 1885) was instrumental in creating

the Universalist movement which he also later left as not "free"

and "scientific" enough.  Abbot also was instrumental in fighting

the largely anti-Catholic movement of the late 1870s and on to

amend the US Constitution and declare the U.S. as a "Christian"

nation, with the King James version of the Bible as the official

text; this despite his own series of anti-Catholic articles.

 

Abbot also was credited by Peirce for having earlier seen the

truth of realism and helping him abandon nominalism.  I discussed

this some years back on the list.  And it was Abbot's doctoral dissertation, based on his lectures at Harvard when he replaced

Royce in the Spring of 1888, after Royce's mental collapse and almost year's leave, published in 1890 as "The Way Out of

Agnosticism. or the Philosophy of Free Religion" that Royce attacked in his review in The Nation leading Peirce to reply to

Royce in defense of his old friend.

 

Some 30 years ago, Max Fisch, in Indianapolis, showed me how Peirce

would begin a manuscript only to veer off at some point on a topic

he raised, only to return or not return later on so that many of

his manuscripts looked like trees; and how as he ran out of money

at times, he would water his ink, making some manuscripts very difficult to read; but he never watered his wine, when he had it.

Peirce was quite a gourmet in his earlier years in New York when

he frequented the fashionable Brevoort House, on Fifth Avenue and

Washington Square, a hotel where he met his third wife, Juliette,

a block south of the house where Mark Twain lived during his time

in New York.  Ketner discusses this early period when Peirce was actively working for the Coast Survey, earning a good salary, and traveling back and forth to France and Europe and setting up sites

in the US for gravity stations and pendulum studies, carrying out scientific measurements, and then following Juliette to fashionable Washington when she moved there.  It was as a successful practicing

experimental scientist, carrying out measurement studies and

establishing sites for "gravity stations" for the Coast Survey that

his father helped direct that Peirce earned his original repute in

the U.S. and in Europe as a successful scientist.

  

One would hope that Ketner would finish his novel "autobiography"

of Peirce using Peirce's own words and providing so much knowledge

of the context of his life.  

 

 

Harold L. Orbach    

Emeritus, Sociology

Kansas State University

 

{For those whom I haven't communicated directly in the past, my

B.S. was in Philosophy and History and I went through my MA exams

in Philosophy at Minnesota, studying largely with Wilfrid Sellars

and attending all the programs of the Philosophy of Science center

through which passed the leaders in the field in the US in the

1950's, in good measure the European exiles of various scientific,

empiricist, logical-mathematical and positivist movements who fled

the rise of Nazi Germany and World War II, before taking my PhD in Sociology there. )   

 

 


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