Tim Starling | 1 Jun 01:56 2007
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Re: wap.wikipedia.org

Magnus Manske wrote:
> On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
>> But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.
> 
> Like this? :-)
> http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2

"Error: Invalid wiki syntax"

Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs
as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you.

-- Tim Starling
Nick Jenkins | 1 Jun 07:52 2007
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Re: wap.wikipedia.org

> > There is no wap.wikipedia.org.
> 
> It's:
> * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org
> * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org
> * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org

May be worth having a very quick placeholder page at
http://wap.wikipedia.org/ that just says "Try one of these sites" + the 3
links. (Kind of like what http://www.wikipedia.org/ has, except it doesn't
have to look any good at all - in fact, anyone using a mobile device would
probably much prefer it to be exceedingly minimal).

-- All the best,
Nick.
brion | 1 Jun 09:16 2007
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MediaWiki automated test run failure 2007-06-01

An automated run of parserTests.php showed the following failures:

This is MediaWiki version 1.11alpha (r22622).

Reading tests from "maintenance/parserTests.txt"...
Reading tests from "extensions/Cite/citeParserTests.txt"...
Reading tests from "extensions/Poem/poemParserTests.txt"...

  48 still FAILING test(s) :(
      * URL-encoding in URL functions (single parameter)  [Has never passed]
      * URL-encoding in URL functions (multiple parameters)  [Has never passed]
      * Table security: embedded pipes
(http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2006-April/034637.html)  [Has never passed]
      * Link containing double-single-quotes '' (bug 4598)  [Has never passed]
      * Template with thumb image (with link in description)  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22,
1.11alpha (r22553) and 31-May-2007 07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * message transform: <noinclude> in transcluded template (bug 4926)  [Has never passed]
      * message transform: <onlyinclude> in transcluded template (bug 4926)  [Has never passed]
      * Simple image  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553) and 31-May-2007 07:15:31,
1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * Right-aligned image  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553) and 31-May-2007
07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * Image with caption  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553) and 31-May-2007
07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * Image with frame and link  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553) and
31-May-2007 07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * Frameless image caption with a free URL  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553)
and 31-May-2007 07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
      * Thumbnail image caption with a free URL  [Introduced between 30-May-2007 07:15:22, 1.11alpha (r22553)
and 31-May-2007 07:15:31, 1.11alpha (r22594)]
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Simetrical | 1 Jun 09:56 2007
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Re: MediaWiki automated test run failure 2007-06-01

On 6/1/07, brion@...
<brion@...> wrote:
>   48 still FAILING test(s) :(

Okay, so who changed the image formatting?

It would be nice if these reports were run hourly instead of daily, by
the way.  SVN traffic for trunk is high enough that it's not
immediately obvious who screwed things up (e.g., 41 revisions for this
one).  Obviously they should only be sent to the mailing list in case
of a regression, in that case.
Magnus Manske | 1 Jun 10:13 2007

Re: wap.wikipedia.org

On 6/1/07, Tim Starling <tstarling@...> wrote:
> Magnus Manske wrote:
> > On 5/31/07, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
> >> But do go ahead and mention specifics if you see something awry.
> >
> > Like this? :-)
> > http://de.wap.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=Felsberg+%28Hessen%29&seg=2
>
> "Error: Invalid wiki syntax"
>
> Perfectly normal and to be expected. The codebase has about as many bugs
> as lines of code. It's the working articles that should surprise you.

Oh, you're writing a new parser for that? In that case, why not use my
wiki2xml stuff for the next generation? It was working OK last time I
checked (some month ago...) and usually breaks gracefully (dumping raw
wikitext in worsed case). It also comes, among other generators, with
plain-text output, which can be adapted to the output format of your
choice. Finally, it was surprisingly fast (the online demo sucks,
though, because it takes forever to get article and template texts on
the toolserver).

Magnus
GerardM | 1 Jun 10:20 2007
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Re: wap.wikipedia.org

Hoi,
There is a language called Wapishana that has the code wap. Because of our
use of ISO-codes to indicate languages the wap code is not available for
this purpose.
Thanks,
    GerardM

On 6/1/07, Nick Jenkins <nickpj@...> wrote:
>
> > > There is no wap.wikipedia.org.
> >
> > It's:
> > * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org
> > * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org
> > * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org
>
> May be worth having a very quick placeholder page at
> http://wap.wikipedia.org/ that just says "Try one of these sites" + the 3
> links. (Kind of like what http://www.wikipedia.org/ has, except it doesn't
> have to look any good at all - in fact, anyone using a mobile device would
> probably much prefer it to be exceedingly minimal).
>
> -- All the best,
> Nick.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wikitech-l mailing list
> Wikitech-l@...
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>
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Erik Moeller | 1 Jun 10:23 2007
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Re: wap.wikipedia.org

10500 speakers. I doubt they will request a Wikipedia anytime soon.

On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> Hoi,
> There is a language called Wapishana that has the code wap. Because of our
> use of ISO-codes to indicate languages the wap code is not available for
> this purpose.
> Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
> On 6/1/07, Nick Jenkins <nickpj@...> wrote:
> >
> > > > There is no wap.wikipedia.org.
> > >
> > > It's:
> > > * http://de.wap.wikipedia.org
> > > * http://en.wap.wikipedia.org
> > > * http://es.wap.wikipedia.org
> >
> > May be worth having a very quick placeholder page at
> > http://wap.wikipedia.org/ that just says "Try one of these sites" + the 3
> > links. (Kind of like what http://www.wikipedia.org/ has, except it doesn't
> > have to look any good at all - in fact, anyone using a mobile device would
> > probably much prefer it to be exceedingly minimal).
> >
> > -- All the best,
> > Nick.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikitech-l mailing list
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GerardM | 1 Jun 10:32 2007
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Re: wap.wikipedia.org

Hoi,
The number of speakers is very much beside the point. The point is that we
have a way of using two and three character codes that represent languages.
Any two or three character codes will be confused as a consequence.

When you are talking about branding, you mention that some consistency is of
important. This same logic applies here. It would be more sane to call it
WikiWap

Thanks,
     GerardM

On 6/1/07, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:
>
> 10500 speakers. I doubt they will request a Wikipedia anytime soon.
>
> On 6/1/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > There is a language called Wapishana that has the code wap. Because of
> our
> > use of ISO-codes to indicate languages the wap code is not available for
> > this purpose.
> > Thanks,
> >     GerardM
> >
> > On 6/1/07, Nick Jenkins <nickpj@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > There is no wap.wikipedia.org.
> > > >
> > > > It's:
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Nick Jenkins | 1 Jun 10:57 2007
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Geotagging of images?

Just thinking out loud here, but are we using our photographs in Commons to maximum advantage?

Reason I ask is that there is more and more geographic tagging of pictures starting to
happen (e.g. http://www.panoramio.com/ ). If we take a large repository of images
like Commons, and add geographic tags (long + lat) to those images (maybe with a bot
based on the that articles that include them, and that in turn have geographic tags included),
then you could very quickly build a very large and powerful repository of images, that are
tied to specific points on the globe .... which could be, y'know, be kinda cool, because
then you could potentially search for images on Commons based on location, and it could
come back with a whole list of images, in progressively increasing distance from the point
that you just specified.

So using London as an example, say you search for a point near Big Ben (by clicking on a
map or something), and you'd get back pictures of Big Ben, then the Houses of Parliament, and
the Thames River, then the London Eye, and so forth - so you would get an immersive image
search, perhaps in some ways more powerful than what we have currently.

But that's just half of it - because then you could do it the other way around
too, and you could add a geographic tag to articles, and then it could suggest some pictures
that you might want to add to your article, because they're close to the point you just
specified. And the best bit: No language or translation problems - because Longitude and
Latitude are universal, language-neutral things - so it would help _every_ Wikipedia.

Of course, to do this stuff, it would be nice to have some sort of structure to specifying
Long + Lat, possibly something more low-level than just a template, because you'd want it
to be readily and quickly searchable & indexable. And if you're going to do it for images,
maybe it should be done for articles too - that way you could say "find me other articles that
are about somewhere close to the article that I am currently looking at", and it could work
automatically, without having to manually add links. _Maybe_ you'd be looking at extra columns
in the database, which gets tricky, because it's extra baggage that might not relevant to
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Paul Williams | 1 Jun 11:20 2007

Re: Geotagging of images?


I like this idea. Not only does it add more encyclopaedic value to the
images we have on Commons - thus boosting all of Wikipedia's primary
functions - it could also be useful to other projects. One thing I have
in mind is Wikinews, the project I am most involved in, can instead find
images of mountains or towns in the vicinity of the news event, rather
than just a plain map each time. Longitude and Latitude will make this
100x easier if the files aren't named properly or we don't know the name
of a town or whatnot.

~ Paul Williams
~ User:Skenmy

Gmane