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brion | 1 Jan 2007 09:15
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MediaWiki automated test run failure 2007-01-01

An automated run of parserTests.php showed the following failures:

This is MediaWiki version 1.9alpha (r18741).
Reading tests from "/home/brion/src/wiki/phase3/maintenance/parserTests.txt"...
Running test TODO: Table security: embedded pipes
(http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2006-April/034637.html)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Link containing double-single-quotes '' (bug 4598)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: message transform: <noinclude> in transcluded template (bug 4926)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: message transform: <onlyinclude> in transcluded template (bug 4926)... FAILED!
Running test Thumbnail image caption with a free URL... FAILED!
Running test BUG 1887: A ISBN with a thumbnail... FAILED!
Running test BUG 1887: A RFC with a thumbnail... FAILED!
Running test BUG 1887: A mailto link with a thumbnail... FAILED!
Running test BUG 1887: A <math> with a thumbnail- we don't render math in the parsertests by default,
so math is not stripped and turns up as escaped &lt;math&gt; tags.... FAILED!
Running test BUG 1887, part 2: A <math> with a thumbnail- math enabled... FAILED!
Running test Image caption containing another image... FAILED!
Running test Bug 3090: External links other than http: in image captions... FAILED!
Running test TODO: HTML bullet list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: HTML ordered list, unclosed tags (bug 5497)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: HTML nested bullet list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: HTML nested ordered list, open tags (bug 5497)... FAILED!
Running test Fuzz testing: image with bogus manual thumbnail... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Parsing optional HTML elements (Bug 6171)... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Inline HTML vs wiki block nesting... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Mixing markup for italics and bold... FAILED!
Running test TODO: 5 quotes, code coverage +1 line... FAILED!
Running test TODO: dt/dd/dl test... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Images with the "|" character in the comment... FAILED!
Running test TODO: Parents of subpages, two levels up, without trailing slash or name.... FAILED!
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Omegatron | 1 Jan 2007 19:58
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

[For the record, this was a response to
http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085 ]

[Civility:]

Rob Church <robchur <at> ...> writes:

> We might not implement their letter, but the spirit of the ideas of
> keeping civil and assuming good faith *are* applied at the development
> level; we just reserve the right to be blunt.

Being blunt or dismissive is completely contrary to the letter and spirit of
WP:CIV.  Things like:

* Rudeness
* Judgmental tone
* Belittling contributors because of their skills
* Personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater
conflict and
stress

"Bluntness", if that's what we're calling it now, only makes things worse, and I
see it a lot when developers are involved.

I would very much like to see some guidelines for interpersonal behavior in the
development process.  As far as community and wikilove are concerned,
development of the site's software shouldn't be any different from development
of the site.  No one should get a special exemption to be an asshole to other
Wikipedians just because they know PHP.
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Rob Church | 1 Jan 2007 20:42
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On 01/01/07, Omegatron <9ybf94w02@...> wrote:
> "Bluntness", if that's what we're calling it now, only makes things worse, and I
> see it a lot when developers are involved.

When I say "being blunt", I mean calling a bad idea a bad idea from
the get-go, and not messing around.

> of the site.  No one should get a special exemption to be an asshole to other
> Wikipedians just because they know PHP.

Are you calling me an asshole?

Are you calling some other developer(s) assholes?

> Shouldn't that have been implemented *before* going live with this feature?

It wasn't deemed necessary at the time, because we didn't realise
users would get so up in arms about it.

> What's a Subversion log?

The log of commits to the Subversion repository.

> some of us know how to write CSS, some of use know about rodent biology.  More
> love and understanding and less arrogance, elitism, and belligerence, please.

Oh, for goodness' sake...

> or know how to access and understand Mediawiki's CVS or whatever it is.  There's
> no centralized place on the site where new features are announced ("You'll be
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Simetrical | 1 Jan 2007 20:51
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On 1/1/07, Omegatron <9ybf94w02@...> wrote:
> I would very much like to see some guidelines for interpersonal behavior in the
> development process.  As far as community and wikilove are concerned,
> development of the site's software shouldn't be any different from development
> of the site.  No one should get a special exemption to be an asshole to other
> Wikipedians just because they know PHP.

If you want Rob disciplined or something for being rude, go ahead and
talk to Brion.

> Shouldn't that have been implemented *before* going live with this feature?

No, because nobody thought that anyone would actually object
significantly.  When we think that, we're usually right, but there are
bound to be occasional exceptions.

> What's a Subversion log?

http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/phase3/?view=log

(takes forever to load . . . there's probably some option to restrict
it, timespan-wise, so it's not like ten megabytes or whatever)

> There's no centralized discussion point where
> people can present their ideas for features and have those features critiqued by
> the people who are actually going to use them.

Yeah, there is.  Bugzilla.  That most people don't follow it, we can't help.

> That's fine.  But these numbers are similar to those changes.  Only a few people
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Anders Wegge Jakobsen | 1 Jan 2007 21:31
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

"Omegatron" <9ybf94w02 <at> sneakemail.com> writes:

> [For the record, this was a response to
> http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1085 ]
> 
> [Civility:]
> 
> Rob Church <robchur <at> ...> writes:
> 
> > We might not implement their letter, but the spirit of the ideas of
> > keeping civil and assuming good faith *are* applied at the development
> > level; we just reserve the right to be blunt.

> Being blunt or dismissive is completely contrary to the letter and spirit of
> WP:CIV.  Things like:

> * Rudeness
> * Judgmental tone
> * Belittling contributors because of their skills
> * Personally targeted behavior that causes an atmosphere of greater
>   conflict and stress

 Well, if you think so, you should probably never have posted the mail
I'm replying now.

 I'll not go into details, but you have a serious amount of
attitude-readjustment to do, before it's safe for you to discuss
tecnical issues again. Your "I'm not a developer, so I alone know what
the users want"-tone, does not exactly help either.
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Jay R. Ashworth | 1 Jan 2007 21:31

Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 01:58:11PM -0500, Omegatron wrote:
> "Bluntness", if that's what we're calling it now, only makes things
> worse, and I see it a lot when developers are involved.

See my earlier reply to this, and realy *really* think hard about

40,000,000... versus 12.

Cheers,
- jr '*really* hard' a
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Jay R. Ashworth | 1 Jan 2007 21:35

Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 07:42:20PM +0000, Rob Church wrote:
> [Side note for anyone actually following this thread: I really hate
> arguing with people before the end of a year, as I always like to kid
> myself that I can make a fresh start in the next. This issue is
> dragging on and on, and both sides are essentially regurgitating the
> same opinions. I welcome any third party review on my attitude (feel
> free to email it to me) if it has been inappropriate during this
> particular thread.]

They're morons; you're just fine.

Happy This Year.  :-)

(Well, I was *going* to make this off-list, but the list configuration
has 'better' ideas for me, and I'm too lazy to retype it.  So be it.)

Cheers,
-- jra
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Ligulem | 1 Jan 2007 22:43
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On 01.01.2007 21:35, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
> 
> They're morons; you're just fine.
> 

Amen.

Nice club thinking here on all sides.
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David Gerard | 2 Jan 2007 00:32
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Re: Regarding the "change size" indicator in change lists

On 31/12/06, Ligulem <ligulem@...> wrote:
> On 31.12.2006 19:07, Rob Church wrote:

> > ... discipline them accordingly.

> Yes, Mets501 was a bit bold adding the colors. But the colors are still
> in effect, so it can't be that bad.
> Repeat after me: Assume Good Faith.

You appear to have confused "assume good faith" with "assume good judgement".

> And nobody is perfect.

That's what AGF means, yes.

- d.
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Trent Mera | 2 Jan 2007 02:40
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problem with mwdumper


When I run:

java -jar mwdumper.jar -–format=sql:1.5 enwiki-latest-pages-articles.xml.bz2 |
c:\wamp\mysql\bin\mysql -u wikiuser -p wikidb

I get:

Exception in thread "main" java.io.FileNotFoundException: -ûformat=sql:1.5 (The system cannot find
the file specified)
        at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method)
        at java.io.FileInputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at java.io.FileInputStream.<init>(Unknown Source)
        at org.mediawiki.dumper.Tools.openInputFile(Unknown Source)
        at org.mediawiki.dumper.Dumper.main(Unknown Source)

Please help!
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