Re: My application (Re: Need Developers)

Brion Vibber wrote:
> *poof* you're a developer! Welcome to the team! :)

Thanks a lot, I am honoured 

> If you need bug tracker & up-to-date CVS access, let me know your 
> Sourceforge account name and I'll add you.

"Fantasy" was already taken 
So my SourceForge Account is "wiki-fantasy"

>> ...tasks that just take time away from them and help me learn MediaWiki.
> Evan's been cleaning up the bug reports and feature requests; there's 
> plenty of material!

I will look for some small tasks for the beginning. Maybe documentation? 
In Germany we are now officially the "number one choice" in 
Wiki-Software for large wikis. I guess, we will get more Software- 
questions in the near future...

Thanks for letting me be part of the team,
Fantasy 

XML export and questions

Hi,

I'm working on a XML representation of Wikipedia articles [[meta:Wikipedia
DTD]]
- the XML export function [[XML import and export]] is a step forward to this
but I do not understand what the element "restrictions" may contain:

So what is the purpose of table 'cur_restrictions'? Are there any other
restrictions but 'sysop' or why it is not just a boolean value?

Some bugs and wishes for the next update of SpecialExport.php:
- add an XML header ("<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>")
- replace the attribute 'xml:ns' with something like 'interwiki' or 'language'.
  Please avoid attributes starting with 'xml:'. 'xml:lang' is not the best
  choice neither since there are MediaWikis like wiktionary and meta that
  does corespondent to languages. 
- include 'cur_counter'

BTW: What about the new namespaces
	8	=> "MediaWiki",
	9	=> "MediaWiki_talk"
??

Thank's
  Jakob Voss

P.S: The statistics page is one posibility to include a reference to the
developers more publically - like the "most active wikipedians". Perhaps there
is a way to get some CVS stats out of sourceforge into the wikipedia growth
overview. 

Re: XML export and questions

On Dec 1, 2003, at 10:29, jakob.voss@... wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm working on a XML representation of Wikipedia articles 
> [[meta:Wikipedia
> DTD]]
> - the XML export function [[XML import and export]] is a step forward 
> to this
> but I do not understand what the element "restrictions" may contain:
>
> So what is the purpose of table 'cur_restrictions'? Are there any other
> restrictions but 'sysop' or why it is not just a boolean value?

It's a comma-separated list of tags which may be present in a user's 
user_rights field (again, as a comma-separated list of tags). I don't 
think the software fully supports this model yet (as we don't use 
anything more complex that "" / "sysop" on Wikipedia) but that's the 
theory.

> Some bugs and wishes for the next update of SpecialExport.php:
> - add an XML header ("<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>")

Hmm, yes that was supposed to be there. Must have forgot...

> - replace the attribute 'xml:ns' with something like 'interwiki' or 
> 'language'.
>   Please avoid attributes starting with 'xml:'. 'xml:lang' is not the 
> best

Subpages broken

I haven't had time to look at the code yet, but one of the recent upgrades  
broke subpage support (used on Wikipedia for user and talk pages). Check  
out

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eloquence/Boilerplate_texts

for an example. The backlink title is shown, but the actual link is not.

Regards,

Erik

Re: Subpages broken

On Dec 1, 2003, at 14:31, Erik Moeller wrote:
> I haven't had time to look at the code yet, but one of the recent 
> upgrades
> broke subpage support (used on Wikipedia for user and talk pages). 
> Check
> out
>
> http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eloquence/Boilerplate_texts
>
> for an example. The backlink title is shown, but the actual link is 
> not.

Here's your problem:
	$growinglink.=$link;
	$getlink=$this->makeLink( $growingLink, $link);		

Case sensitivity strikes again! In PHP function names are not case 
sensitive, but variable names are. (GARRRRRRRRRRR) We're passing an 
empty string to makeLink()... Fixed.

Also this is hideous:
	if(preg_match("/class='new'/i",$getlink)) { break; } # this is a hack, 
but it saves time

but it works for now.

-- brion vibber (brion  <at>  pobox.com)

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DNS problems

Pliny's having some weird problem where it can't look up anything from 
DNS, which interferes with the mail server. Hopefully the backup MX is 
working. :)

There may be some queued mail that will wait until the problem gets 
resolved to go out.

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Re: DNS problems

On Dec 1, 2003, at 18:11, Brion Vibber wrote:

> Pliny's having some weird problem where it can't look up anything from 
> DNS, which interferes with the mail server. Hopefully the backup MX is 
> working. :)

The cause was a local IP address conflict with the temporary aliased 
address that pliny had been using since its last hardware upgrade. I 
tried to resolve this by switching pliny to its real address and 
getting rid of the alias, but this seems to have gone awry and pliny is 
no longer accessible from the network.

Jason's working on getting it rebooted; it should come back up in the 
correct configuration.

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Re: Re: My application (Re: Need Developers)

Hi Fantasy,

> I will look for some small tasks for the beginning. Maybe
> documentation?

You can have a look at the old and current official documentation (the
so-called User's Guide at meta), or you can help out in my attempt to
restructure and rewrite the complete documentation which I started just
about two weeks ago (http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentation). I
want roughly the following structure:

PART 1: Introduction - General Information and Architecture.
PART 2: Administrator's Guide - Installation, Configuration,
Administration, Care & Feeding.
PART 3: User's Guide - Usage of the MediaWiki Software.
PART 4: Developer's Guide - Development, Bug Tracking, Roadmap, Known
Issues, (Feature Requests).
APPENDIX: Additional Information.
FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions.

I need help especially in two areas:

* Administration  - best practices, security issues; part of the
outlined "Administrator's Guide"; wanted: someone with a few months of
experience in administering MediaWiki.

* Development - wanted: someone with experience in PHP and SQL who is
able to write some short intructions how the code works, which scripts
do what, and maybe later some coding guidelines - simply someone to do
some hard work helping other developers to get started easier; this

Re: XML export and questions

On Dec 1, 2003, at 13:16, Brion Vibber wrote:
>> Some bugs and wishes for the next update of SpecialExport.php:
>> - add an XML header ("<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>")
>
> Hmm, yes that was supposed to be there. Must have forgot...

Fixed.

> xml:ns??? That's really supposed to be xml:lang! And it's only meant 
> for the language.

Fixed.

>> - include 'cur_counter'
>
> cur_counter is not an attribute of a wiki page.

To clarify: the hit counter is an attribute of the _site_ which 
(loosely) tracks one particular page. Like the cache update timestamps, 
it may be in the 'cur' table but it's not intrinsic to the wiki page. 
(Also it's disabled on Wikipedia and may eventually get dropped.)

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Connectivity to wikipedia.org

Is it just me that's having difficulty connecting to wikipedia? For the 
last few days I've been getting 80% packet loss which makes it 
incredibly frustrating to try to edit large articles! Traceroute seems 
to indicate messages are running into the sand in the San Diego area...

This traceroute is from 0115 UTC, 2 Dec 03:

  Traceroute to: en.wikipedia.org
     IP address: [130.94.122.199]

   1: [194.159.180.36]   war1-du-36.access.demon.net
       (  140 ms) !  (  141 ms) !  (  130 ms) !
   2: [194.159.180.1]    war1-service-1v2-15.router.demon.net
       (  130 ms) !  (  140 ms) !  (  130 ms) !
   3: [194.159.180.69]   war1-backbone-1-176.router.demon.net
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   4: [194.159.36.49]    anchor-backbone-11-171.router.demon.net
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   5: [194.159.36.226]   anchor-border-1-1-0-2-551.router.demon.net
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   6: [213.206.156.53]   sl-gw10-lon-4-1.sprintlink.net
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   7: [213.206.128.41]   sl-bb20-lon-8-0.sprintlink.net
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   8: [213.206.128.53]   sl-bb22-lon-14-0.sprintlink.net
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   9: [213.206.131.86]
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  10: [129.250.5.91]     p16-0-0-0.r80.nycmny01.us.bb.verio.net
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