Rut | 2 Apr 09:00 2007
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Re: History of discussion pages and Movies of History

Thanks everyone. It is pretty simple afterall (and a great feature that you can see the history of the tab being viewed), oh, How I wish I had one of you nearby to ask in person!

I've emailed Jon Udell to ask how he did this: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/umlaut.html - but haven't got a reply.

I'm not very techy oriented and I am sort of alone in these studies up here in copenhagen, so, maybe someone knows how to do an equivalent thing (or point me for the start) - how to record frame after frame from history (now I know what pages to look for - but how to make it movie'ish?!). The idea is that, although History Flow can well show the changes, it is difficult to get a good grip - looking first at a movie would/could give a lot of insight. Also, for public presentations - would be nice to have some easy movies to show what is happening.

Thanks!
Best,
Rut



On 3/30/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
The data for all the non-deleted talk page revisions can be found in
the all namespaces history dump on download.wikimedia.org.

On 3/30/07, Rut < vulpeto-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> some curiosity brought me this question: is it possible to see/access/get
> the history of the discussion pages?
>
> thanks!
> rut
>

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Ward Cunningham | 2 Apr 14:55 2007

Re: History of discussion pages and Movies of History

Jon used screencasting software to make that movie. First he made a screencast flipping through each version, in order. Then he made a screencast of PLAYING BACK the first screencast both forwards and backwards. Clever guy, that Jon. 

Best regards. -- Ward


On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Rut wrote:

I've emailed Jon Udell to ask how he did this: http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/gems/umlaut.html - but haven't got a reply.

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Brion Vibber | 2 Apr 20:15 2007
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Re: History of discussion pages


Nicholas Moreau wrote:
> Yes...
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sesame_Street&action=history
> 
> Or are you meaning the actual steps that led to the creation of
> history pages--I believe it was one of Brion Vibber's first major
> additions to the MediaWiki software.

Eh... no? That not only predates my involvement, it predates the
existence of Wikipedia.

-- brion vibber (brion  <at>  wikimedia.org)
Nicholas Moreau | 2 Apr 20:24 2007
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Re: History of discussion pages

Okay, maybe it wasn't you, but I remember hearing (don't remember the source) that before Wikipedia was launched, everybody discussed everything on the mainpage, mainly because there was no talk page feature. I guess I'm just spreading stories.

Nick



On 4/2/07, Brion Vibber <brion-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Nicholas Moreau wrote:
> Yes...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sesame_Street&action=history
>
> Or are you meaning the actual steps that led to the creation of
> history pages--I believe it was one of Brion Vibber's first major
> additions to the MediaWiki software.

Eh... no? That not only predates my involvement, it predates the
existence of Wikipedia.

- -- brion vibber (brion <at> wikimedia.org)

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Andre Engels | 3 Apr 11:28 2007
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Re: History of discussion pages

2007/4/2, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau@...>:
> Okay, maybe it wasn't you, but I remember hearing (don't remember the
> source) that before Wikipedia was launched, everybody discussed everything
> on the mainpage, mainly because there was no talk page feature. I guess I'm
> just spreading stories.

I know that in the old days of Wikipedia, discussion pages were normal
pages titled [[Title/Talk]]. On the page itself, a link could be
created with the text [[/Talk]]. The current method of having a
specific namespace for that was I think created together with the
current software, in which case Magnus Manske would be the person to
praise for it.

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phoebe ayers | 3 Apr 18:27 2007
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Re: History of discussion pages

There's a variety of types of wiki software where comments are
integrated into the body of the page itself, generally below the
content of the page; Mediawiki is notable in separating the two
functions (discussion & article) but I don't know if it was the
*first* wiki software to do so. History pages for content (any kind of
content) have been around for a long time though, as Brion notes.

-- phoebe

On 4/2/07, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau@...> wrote:
> Okay, maybe it wasn't you, but I remember hearing (don't remember the
> source) that before Wikipedia was launched, everybody discussed everything
> on the mainpage, mainly because there was no talk page feature. I guess I'm
> just spreading stories.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> On 4/2/07, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
> > Nicholas Moreau wrote:
> > > Yes...
> > >
> > >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sesame_Street&action=history
> > >
> > > Or are you meaning the actual steps that led to the creation of
> > > history pages--I believe it was one of Brion Vibber's first major
> > > additions to the MediaWiki software.
> >
> > Eh... no? That not only predates my involvement, it predates the
> > existence of Wikipedia.
> >
> > - -- brion vibber (brion  <at>  wikimedia.org)
>
>
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Jimmy Wales | 3 Apr 12:22 2007

Re: History of discussion pages

Andre has it right, and if you dig into the very oldest email archives, 
you will find that the inventor of the "talk page" was Tim Shell, later 
a board member of the Foundation.

Andre Engels wrote:
> 2007/4/2, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau@...>:
>> Okay, maybe it wasn't you, but I remember hearing (don't remember the
>> source) that before Wikipedia was launched, everybody discussed everything
>> on the mainpage, mainly because there was no talk page feature. I guess I'm
>> just spreading stories.
> 
> I know that in the old days of Wikipedia, discussion pages were normal
> pages titled [[Title/Talk]]. On the page itself, a link could be
> created with the text [[/Talk]]. The current method of having a
> specific namespace for that was I think created together with the
> current software, in which case Magnus Manske would be the person to
> praise for it.
> 
phoebe ayers | 16 Apr 21:00 2007
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Fwd: Assistance for a survey

Dear Colleagues:

 I am conducting a project on the perspectives of faculty on Wikipeida
and would like to invite you to answer the following survey.

 I also need your help in distributing the survey.  Please feel free
to post it at your college/university community.

 Thank you very much for your help.

 The survey is available at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=833013431995

 ------------------------------------
 Title: The Perspectives of Faculty on Wikipedia
 Conducted by: Hsin-liang Chen, School of Information, University of
Texas at Austin (phone: 512-232-9219, email: chen@...)
 Purpose: The project aims to understand the use of Wikipedia by
faculty for performing their job duties.
 Procedure: 17-27 questions
 •Tell us about yourself: collect basic demographic data
 •Use of online information: email, Web, and databases
 •Use of Wikipedia
 Time: Approximately 10-15 minutes
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 If you need a copy of documentation, please print this cover letter
for future reference. Thank you for your participation.

_____________________________________________________________________________
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 The University of Texas at Austin      Email: chen@...
 Austin, TX 78712-0390                     URL:
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phoebe ayers | 16 Apr 21:55 2007
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Fw: Assistance for a wikipedia project

Dr. Chen is also doing a survey for high-tech professionals, as well
as faculty members.

----- Original Message -----
From: Hsin-liang (Oliver) Chen
To: Phoebe Ayers
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: Assistance for a wikipedia project

Hi Phoebe:

Would you mind to forward the following message to
wiki-research-l@...?

I tried but the message got rejected.

Thank you again!

------------------
Dear Colleges:

I am conducting a project on wikipedia and two different user groups,
high tech professionals and college faculty members.

I would like to invite you to answer the survey and help me recruit
participants.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

-------------------------Survey for High Tech Professionals

The survey is at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=556313432713

Title: The Perspectives of high tech professionals on Wikipedia
Conducted by: Hsin-liang Chen, School of Information, University of
Texas at Austin (phone: 512-232-9219, email: chen@...
Purpose: The project aims to understand the use of Wikipedia by high
tech professionals for performing their job duties.
Procedure: 17-25 questions
•Tell us about yourself: collect basic demographic data
•Use of online information: email, Web, and databases
•Use of Wikipedia
Time: Approximately 10-15 minutes
Confidentiality and privacy protections: You will not reveal your
personal identification. The investigator does not ask any questions
regarding your personal identification. The online survey is
anonymous.

If you need a copy of documentation, please print this cover letter
for future reference. Thank you for your participation.

---------------------------
Survey for College Faculty

The survey is available at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=833013431995

Title: The Perspectives of Faculty on Wikipedia
Conducted by: Hsin-liang Chen, School of Information, University of
Texas at Austin (phone: 512-232-9219, email: chen@...)
Purpose: The project aims to understand the use of Wikipedia by
faculty for performing their job duties.
Procedure: 17-27 questions
•Tell us about yourself: collect basic demographic data
•Use of online information: email, Web, and databases
•Use of Wikipedia
Time: Approximately 10-15 minutes
Confidentiality and privacy protections: You will not reveal your
personal identification. The investigator does not ask any questions
regarding your personal identification. The online survey is
anonymous.

If you need a copy of documentation, please print this cover letter
for future reference. Thank you for your participation.

_____________________________________________________________________________
Dr. Hsin-liang (Oliver) Chen
School of Information                       Assistant Professor
1 University Station D7000               Phone: 512-232-9219 Fax: 512-471-3971
The University of Texas at Austin      Email: chen@...
Austin, TX 78712-0390                     URL:
http://www.ischool.utexas.edu/~chen
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Sunir Shah | 19 Apr 23:21 2007

Re: History of discussion pages

On Wiki (i.e. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki), the one that started it
all, it had been long a convention to move all discussion to
separate Discussion pages. So, for a given PageName, the discussion
would be punted to PageNameDiscussion.

--ss

On 4/2/07, Nicholas Moreau <nicholasmoreau@...> wrote:
> Okay, maybe it wasn't you, but I remember hearing (don't remember the
> source) that before Wikipedia was launched, everybody discussed everything
> on the mainpage, mainly because there was no talk page feature. I guess
I'm
> just spreading stories.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> On 4/2/07, Brion Vibber <brion@...> wrote:
> > Nicholas Moreau wrote:
> > > Yes...
> > >
> > >
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sesame_Street&action=history
> > >
> > > Or are you meaning the actual steps that led to the creation of
> > > history pages--I believe it was one of Brion Vibber's first major
> > > additions to the MediaWiki software.
> >
> > Eh... no? That not only predates my involvement, it predates the
> > existence of Wikipedia.
> >
> > - -- brion vibber (brion  <at>  wikimedia.org)
>
>
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