Piotr Konieczny | 10 Jan 01:32 2007
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General User Survey - proposal '$'

Hello everyone,

Maybe I am beating a dead horse, but I'd really like to see GUS 
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/GUS) done. Now, I am somewhat tired with 
waiting for the promised help - 6 months delay (or 18...) in my books 
means something is not going to get done. But I have a solution: instead 
of waiting for some developer to get interested in our case and write 
the script(s) for us, couldn't we apply to Wikimedia Fundation for some 
small grant to hire somebody and write whaterver we cannot write 
ourselves? It seems that we are now dealing with millions of $ in our 
budget, surely a few hundreds (if we even need so much) can be spared 
for such an important issue as finalizing GUS-related works?

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Johannes Rohr | 17 Jan 15:26 2007
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Factors, governing the success or failure of smaller Wikis

Dear researchers,

Please forgive me, if this is not the right place for my inquiry, but
I was unable to identify a better one.

What I would like to ask is, whether or not anyone of the subscribers
has undertaken or knows who else has undertaken any research into the
matter of Wikis with small speaker communities.

With "small" I would mean languages with, as a wild guess, less than
50,000 speakers, or languages from regions of the world, where
Internet access is still so rare and prohibitively expensive that the
vast majority is barred from participating in projects such as
Wikipedia.

There is a number of language editions, which have been practically
idle for years and years, such as Kanuri, Choctaw, Inupiaq, Inuktitut
(in Cananian Aboriginal Syllabics) and probably many others.

At the same time, there is at least one relative newcomer edition, the
Upper Sorbian Wikipedia, which is doing extremely well, even though
the number of speakers does not exceed 40,000 (it may be substantially
lower.)

When it comes to minority languages, Wikipedia is often advocated as
/the/ tool to promote and protect them. At the same time, the "Wiki
principle" on a shoestring would be "the more, the better", the more
potential contributors there are, the more knowledge is likely to be
accumulated. If so, setting up Wikis for minority languages is quite
probably /not/ the appropriate tool to help them. Neither is it likely
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Felipe Ortega | 22 Jan 13:35 2007
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First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Hi all.

Finally, the first upload of images created with WikiXRay is available:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiXRay

For next updates I'll try to use Commonist for faster upload of lots of files.

Any comments about the graphics are welcomed.

Saludos.

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Oldak Quill | 22 Jan 18:57 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

On 22/01/07, Felipe Ortega <glimmer_phoenix@...> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Finally, the first upload of images created with WikiXRay is available:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiXRay
>
> For next updates I'll try to use Commonist for faster upload of lots of
> files.
>
> Any comments about the graphics are welcomed.
>
> Saludos.
>
> Felipe Ortega.

Great work! The scientist in me is looking forward to seeing the
statistical analyses you make of the project.

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Platonides | 22 Jan 23:31 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Felipe Ortega escribió:
> Hi all.
> 
> Finally, the first upload of images created with WikiXRay is available:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiXRay
> 
> For next updates I'll try to use Commonist for faster upload of lots of 
> files.
> 
> Any comments about the graphics are welcomed.
> 
> Saludos.
> 
> Felipe Ortega.

Wouldn't the page fit better on meta than on en.wiki?

Does Evolution in time section have images? It'd be interesting the 
number of articles evolution on pt: as they use bot creation quite a lot.
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

"As we can see, one common feature is that in each histogram we can
identify two different populations. The lower half represents the tiny
articles population, most probably composed by stubs. The higher half
represents the standard articles population."

No. The lower half is redirects.

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Nicholas Moreau | 23 Jan 17:27 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Agreed, Meta would be better.

Felipe-- would you consider writing a short summary on this for
Signpost, the English Wikipedia's internal communication source, to
explain this all in laymen's terms to the community?

Nick

On 1/22/07, Platonides <Platonides@...> wrote:
> Felipe Ortega escribió:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > Finally, the first upload of images created with WikiXRay is available:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiXRay
> >
> > For next updates I'll try to use Commonist for faster upload of lots of
> > files.
> >
> > Any comments about the graphics are welcomed.
> >
> > Saludos.
> >
> > Felipe Ortega.
>
> Wouldn't the page fit better on meta than on en.wiki?
>
> Does Evolution in time section have images? It'd be interesting the
> number of articles evolution on pt: as they use bot creation quite a lot.
Piotr Konieczny | 23 Jan 18:38 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Nicholas Moreau wrote:

> Agreed, Meta would be better.
> 
> Felipe-- would you consider writing a short summary on this for
> Signpost, the English Wikipedia's internal communication source, to
> explain this all in laymen's terms to the community?

Second, and note that some of the images have been tagged on Commons as 
not having sufficient information to be considered free (sigh, copyright 
paranoia strikes again... :( ).

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Felipe Ortega | 26 Jan 13:23 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Yes, I've just generated the images, but I still haven't  had  enough time  to upload  them.

You can check the page this weekend for the new updates, your feedback about ptwiki will be very interesting :- )

Well, I put the page on enwiki in the Wikipedia branch. I don't really know if that is the best place for it. However, I've also created a link to the enwiki page from statistics article on meta.

Platonides <Platonides-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> escribió:

Felipe Ortega escribió:
> Hi all.
>
> Finally, the first upload of images created with WikiXRay is available:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiXRay
>
> For next updates I'll try to use Commonist for faster upload of lots of
> files.
>
> Any comments about the graphics are welcomed.
>
> Saludos.
>
> Felipe Ortega.

Wouldn't the page fit better on meta than on en.wiki?

Does Evolution in time section have images? It'd be interesting the
number of articles evolution on pt: as they use bot creation quite a lot.



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Felipe Ortega | 26 Jan 13:33 2007
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Re: First upload of quantitative results (WikiXRay)

Thanks! This is an important feedback.

I think in that half there is a mix of redirects, stubs and other tiny pages, but I'm still not quite sure about the % for each component.

So you mean redirects are the most important contribution in that side... Really interesting. I'll try a more in-depth analysis of those aspects.

Saludos.

Felipe.

Александр Сигачёв <alexander.sigachov-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> escribió:

"As we can see, one common feature is that in each histogram we can
identify two different populations. The lower half represents the tiny
articles population, most probably composed by stubs. The higher half
represents the standard articles population."

No. The lower half is redirects.

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