Walter Vermeir | 3 Sep 15:23 2004
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Stemming Fair Use

Een vrij ernstige stemming over het al dan niet toestaan van Fair Use
media op WikipediaNL loopt op zijn einde.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stemlokaal

U kan stemmen tot en met 05/09/2004.

Gelieve een geïnformeerde stem uit te brengen. Een reeds uitgebrachte stem
mag men nog wijzigen.

Lees de uitleg op de stempagina, de commentaren van de stemmers en de
meningen op
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_Wikipedia:Beleid_voor_gebruik_van_afbeeldingen#Fair_use_.26_vertaling_nieuw_upload_formulier

Ook is het nuttig om eens dit te lezen;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Het gaat hier bij deze stemming niet over het "public domain" noch over
"citaatrecht" of iets anders. Enkel of we het een goed idee is om media te
gebruiken onder de voorwaarden van de Amerikaanse auteursrechtenregeling
"Fair Use".

Groet,
Walter Vermeir

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Walter Vermeir | 4 Sep 15:37 2004
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T-shirts

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#T-shirts

Voor wie de Kroeg niet zoveel bezoekt of het gewoon gemist zou hebben;

Wie zou een exclusief Wikipedia T-shirt graag willen kopen?

Het is enkel een peiling om te zien hoeveel interesse ervoor is. Men kan
er dus nog geen kopen. Het uitkijken naar prijzen en het aanmaken gaat
pas gebreuren als er een groepje is dat heeft aangegeven een T-shirt wel
te willen kopen.

Indien u er meerdere zou kopen geef dat dan ook mee. Prijzen zijn er dus
nog niet maar het lijkt mij waarschijnlijk dat we hier spreken over
prijzen in de richting van 5 a 10 euro het stuk + verzendingskosten.

Ik maak hier reclame omdat ik graag een T-shirt zou willen maar dan moet
er wel genoeg volk zijn. Zet uw naam er niet op indien niet ernstig.

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Gerard Meijssen | 5 Sep 14:14 2004
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The deletion of not used pictures

On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they 
are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be 
deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.

Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons as 
both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on 
WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that there 
will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?

Question:
*Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?
*When will there be a place where we can upload material that is not 
used on nl:wikipedia and that will be eventually available in WikiCommons ?

Thanks,
    GerardM
Ashar Voultoiz | 5 Sep 17:06 2004

Re: The deletion of not used pictures

Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they 
> are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be 
> deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.
> 
> Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons as 
> both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on 
> WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that there 
> will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?
> 
> Question:
> *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?

Hello,

It's up to the community to make a choice about that. On fr: we have lot 
of flowers pictures that are included in a wikipedia:project page for 
future usage. I would say : create articles so the pictures can be used.

> *When will there be a place where we can upload material that is not 
> used on nl:wikipedia and that will be eventually available in WikiCommons ?

Maybe we should start to gather needs, thinks about how we can reuse 
part of MediaWiki code to build the wikicommon engine and then start 
coding it.

Some changes will have to be made to MediaWiki to be able to use a 
second database for pictures :o)

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Timwi | 5 Sep 20:17 2004
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Re: The deletion of not used pictures

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they 
> are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be 
> deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.

Certainly if you want to keep the images just in case there will be a 
WikiCommons sometime in the future, you can easily save them on your 
local hard disk until such time?  :-)

Timwi
Stan Shebs | 5 Sep 20:29 2004
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Re: The deletion of not used pictures

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that 
> they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be 
> deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.
>
> Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons 
> as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on 
> WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that 
> there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?
>
> Question:
> *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?

Would people insist on deleting them if they are linked from your
user page? Lots of people on en: have personal galleries of
images, not all of which are presently being used in articles.
They're useful as "placeholders", so other people can just include
them, instead of duplicating effort by uploading their own pictures
of the same things.

Stan
Gerard Meijssen | 5 Sep 21:14 2004
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Re: The deletion of not used pictures

Stan Shebs wrote:

> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that 
>> they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not 
>> be deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.
>>
>> Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons 
>> as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment 
>> on WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that 
>> there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?
>>
>> Question:
>> *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?
>
>
> Would people insist on deleting them if they are linked from your
> user page? Lots of people on en: have personal galleries of
> images, not all of which are presently being used in articles.
> They're useful as "placeholders", so other people can just include
> them, instead of duplicating effort by uploading their own pictures
> of the same things.
>
> Stan
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Timwi | 5 Sep 22:28 2004
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Re: The deletion of not used pictures

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> What is the point of there being personal galleries ? What is the point 
> of having these pictures on my hard drive ? Does it help someone who is 
> looking for some pictures ?

People trying to use Wikipedia just to find images deserve to not find 
any. The purpose of having them on your hard disk is that you can upload 
them when a relevant article is written. The point of having "personal 
galleries" is essentially the same, but more convenient because then the 
image is already uploaded, and anyone can add it to a relevant article 
(and remove it from the gallery).

Timwi
Gerard Meijssen | 6 Sep 18:34 2004
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Wikipedia on the BBC website !!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3624384.stm

:)

Thanks,
    GerardM
Gerard Meijssen | 9 Sep 23:23 2004
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Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] The deletion of not used pictures

Stan Shebs wrote:

> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that 
>> they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not 
>> be deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.
>>
>> Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons 
>> as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment 
>> on WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that 
>> there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?
>>
>> Question:
>> *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?
>
>
> Would people insist on deleting them if they are linked from your
> user page? Lots of people on en: have personal galleries of
> images, not all of which are presently being used in articles.
> They're useful as "placeholders", so other people can just include
> them, instead of duplicating effort by uploading their own pictures
> of the same things.
>
> Stan
>
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