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Cary Bass | 4 Feb 2010 18:06
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Office hours *right now* Thursday, February 4

Hello all!  Apologies for the very short notice!

Today's office hours are featuring Guillaume Paumier, and Neil
Kaandalgaonkar, who are Project Manager and Software Developer for the
Multimedia Usability Project.  Read more about them at:

<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Guillom> and
<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:NeilK>

Office hours are from 1700 to 1800 UTC (9:00 AM to 10:00 AM PST).

If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat
using a web browser:  First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at
<http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi>.  Type a
nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and
#wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join.

Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/,
typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as
the channel.   You may be prompted to click through a security warning.
It should be all right.

Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other
relevant email lists you happen to be on.

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Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation

Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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Cary Bass | 10 Feb 2010 20:56
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Office hours for Friday, February 12

Hey everyone!

On Friday, Office Hour will be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for 
the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at 
<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin>

Office hours are from 2330 to 0030 UTC (3:30 PM to 4:30 AM PST).

If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat
using a web browser:  First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at
<http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi>.  Type a
nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and
#wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join.

Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/,
typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as
the channel.   You may be prompted to click through a security warning.
It should be all right.

Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other
relevant email lists you happen to be on.

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-- 
Cary Bass
Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation

Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
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Florence Devouard | 19 Feb 2010 22:19
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Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

An editor on META is having the crazy idea of tagging all historical 
logo propositions made during the Wikipedia logo contest back in 2003 
with a template

"This image has no license information attached to it. This means that 
it has an unknown copyright status. Unless the copyright status is 
provided and a license is given, the image will be deleted one week 
after this template was added."

	Example:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EloquenceSunflowerBlue-Small.png

Please help save Wikipedia history and weight in to avoid all those 
images being deleted. We are reaching the limits of non sense.

Ant
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Florence Devouard | 19 Feb 2010 22:29
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

On 2/19/10 10:19 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
> An editor on META is having the crazy idea of tagging all historical
> logo propositions made during the Wikipedia logo contest back in 2003
> with a template
>
> "This image has no license information attached to it. This means that
> it has an unknown copyright status. Unless the copyright status is
> provided and a license is given, the image will be deleted one week
> after this template was added."
>
> 	Example:http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:EloquenceSunflowerBlue-Small.png
>
>
>
> Please help save Wikipedia history and weight in to avoid all those
> images being deleted. We are reaching the limits of non sense.
>
>
> Ant

Link

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Crochet.david
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K. Peachey | 20 Feb 2010 01:42
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

Well the person is right, all files are meant to have valid license
and source information attached.

-Peachey
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Ray Saintonge | 20 Feb 2010 03:03

Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

K. Peachey wrote:
> Well the person is right, all files are meant to have valid license
> and source information attached.
>
>   
That's stupid!!!!  When these logos were submitted these rules to 
appease small bureaucratic minds did not exist.  Anyone making a 
submission simply agreed that his submissions were under GFDL.

Another way to look at it: If someone uploads something today in full 
compliance with today's rules the likelihood remains that new rules will 
develop in the next five years, and the problems will start all over 
again then in circumstances where the only person capable of compliance 
is no longer available. This kind of situation puts all history at risk. 
Putting history at risk threatens reliability when rules only permit us 
to express half-truths.

Ec
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Federico Leva (Nemo | 20 Feb 2010 10:46
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

Ray Saintonge, 20/02/2010 03:03:
> That's stupid!!!!  When these logos were submitted these rules to 
> appease small bureaucratic minds did not exist.  Anyone making a 
> submission simply agreed that his submissions were under GFDL.

This is explicit since 2005: http://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=125186
And, Meta is not Commons.

Nemo

> Another way to look at it: If someone uploads something today in full 
> compliance with today's rules the likelihood remains that new rules will 
> develop in the next five years, and the problems will start all over 
> again then in circumstances where the only person capable of compliance 
> is no longer available. This kind of situation puts all history at risk. 
> Putting history at risk threatens reliability when rules only permit us 
> to express half-truths.
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Tyler | 20 Feb 2010 11:19
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

What is all this garbage, gossip and Wikimedia Foundation loudmouth talk about an image being changed? Did
a vandal get into the Commons or the Meta or the Dittapedia or something?
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Florence Devouard | 20 Feb 2010 20:32
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

On 2/20/10 10:46 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Ray Saintonge, 20/02/2010 03:03:
>> That's stupid!!!!  When these logos were submitted these rules to
>> appease small bureaucratic minds did not exist.  Anyone making a
>> submission simply agreed that his submissions were under GFDL.
>
> This is explicit since 2005: http://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=125186
> And, Meta is not Commons.
>
> Nemo

yeah, and the logo contest was done before 2005, and at that time, if my 
memory is correct, there was a little text under the SAVE button that 
stated something such as "your modifications are under GFDL".

So, in reality, any edit made at that time followed the rules of 
modifications of the website, and were gfdl. Unfortunately, later, the 
rules changed and the obligation is now to put a tag ON the description 
page. That does not mean that all the content put on meta before 2005 
suddenly became copyrighted because the rules changed.

IF these images are considered copyrighted, then the entirety of meta 
content written between 2001 and 2005 is copyrighted and it is probably 
best to entirely delete it.

To be honnest, I am tempted to be bold and to add a tag "GFDL" on all 
image description page. THAT WAS THE EDITING RULE at that time.

Ant
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Cary Bass | 21 Feb 2010 06:54
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Re: Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

On 2/20/2010 11:32 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:
> On 2/20/10 10:46 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>    
>> Ray Saintonge, 20/02/2010 03:03:
>>      
>>> That's stupid!!!!  When these logos were submitted these rules to
>>> appease small bureaucratic minds did not exist.  Anyone making a
>>> submission simply agreed that his submissions were under GFDL.
>>>        
>> This is explicit since 2005: http://meta.wikimedia.org/?oldid=125186
>> And, Meta is not Commons.
>>
>> Nemo
>>      
> yeah, and the logo contest was done before 2005, and at that time, if my
> memory is correct, there was a little text under the SAVE button that
> stated something such as "your modifications are under GFDL".
>
> So, in reality, any edit made at that time followed the rules of
> modifications of the website, and were gfdl. Unfortunately, later, the
> rules changed and the obligation is now to put a tag ON the description
> page. That does not mean that all the content put on meta before 2005
> suddenly became copyrighted because the rules changed.
>
> IF these images are considered copyrighted, then the entirety of meta
> content written between 2001 and 2005 is copyrighted and it is probably
> best to entirely delete it.
>
>
> To be honnest, I am tempted to be bold and to add a tag "GFDL" on all
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