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Mark Williamson | 1 Aug 2005 04:25
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Re: Bizarre vandalism at Cherokee Wikipedia by 217.44.22.219

Ros, this doesn't strike me as vandalism.

I've done similar things before, although not to the same degree (I
haven't nominated mainpages, or pages which were partly in the right
language).

However, even those parts of this which strike me as being a bit
extreme, I am sure were made in good faith.

I do think that most of the pages so labelled should indeed be purged,
but you are certainly right that some should not.

Cheers
Mark

On 31/07/05, Ros' Haruo <rosharuo <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I went to check on the state of my contributions to
> chr.wikipedia.org<http://chr.wikipedia.org>this morning and found the
> Main Page and 19 others have had their content
> replaced with a Speedy Deletion notice accompanied, in many but not all
> cases, by something along the lines of "Wrong language". Now it's true that
> much of the content in the Cherokee (better, Tsalagi) Wikipedia has been in
> English, and many of these pages doubtless needed culling, but to eliminate
> the Main Page (part of which was in Tsalagi) or several others (e.g. Europe
> ᎡᎶᏆ <http://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%8E%A1%E1%8E%B6%E1%8F%86> and United
> States Supreme Court<http://chr.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Supreme_Court>)
> where the process of Tsalagisation was underway) strikes me as vandalistic.
> 
> I have reverted the main page (several of whose sections should probably be
> eliminated and the rest fully tsalagised) and will look at restoring others
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Ros’ Haruo | 1 Aug 2005 06:58
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Re: Bizarre vandalism at Cherokee Wikipedia by 217.44.22.219

Mark, you're right, my use of the word "vandalism" was hyperbolic, 
occasioned by my irritation at finding pages that contained more Cherokee 
now than they did a month ago deleted and replaced with the bald comment 
"wrong language" and a speedy deletion notice that seemingly couldn't be 
removed (Angela has since found out why I couldn't remove the notices, 
apparently it was because the {{stub}} template had been replaced with a 
{{delete}} notice itself! It was the effect of this replacement that 
prompted me to cry not merely vandalism but "bizarre" vandalism)...

I quite agree that the articles that are simply copies of English articles, 
in English, about topics not particularly central to Tsalagi cultural 
reality (e.g. the Pakistani motif, or Sid Vicious), ought to be removed. A 
special case, I think, is the Wilma Mankiller article, which is so far 
mostly in English but is a topic as important to cover in a Cherokee general 
encyclopedia as, say, Winston Churchill in an English one. I am hopeful that 
in the next few weeks that article will be significantly improved as to 
content and POV as well as degree of tsalagisation.

Haruo = dzidzelalic

On 7/31/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ros, this doesn't strike me as vandalism.
> 
> I've done similar things before, although not to the same degree (I
> haven't nominated mainpages, or pages which were partly in the right
> language).
> 
> However, even those parts of this which strike me as being a bit
> extreme, I am sure were made in good faith.
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Jean-Baptiste Soufron | 3 Aug 2005 11:47
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Re: Re: Explicit copyright assignment to wikimedia foundation

I was answering Tim Starling who said :

"I'm not convinced the Foundation should want people to assign  
copyright to it though. Isn't it a lot
safer if we don't have ownership of any of the content?"

And I do agree that it is definitely safer, avoiding us to be sued  
for copyvio.

I would also like to remember that many legislations forbid copyright  
assignment outside of very protective formal rules and that it would  
be extremely difficult to implement such a solution.

Le 24 juil. 05 à 22:28, Alexandre Dulaunoy a écrit :

> On 22/Jul/05 12:21 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
>
>
>> It's definitely safer and much more clear !
>>
>
> What  is "definitely safer  and much  more clear"  ?  with  or without
> copyright assignment to the wikimedia foundation ?
>
> The solution for the  GNU Project is quite nice as there  is a kind of
> "protective clause" in the case of "going crazy".
>
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SJ | 3 Aug 2005 13:05
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Free ipods, Wikimania media contest, and textual bliss

Hello all,

The Wikimania Writing and Media contest will be handing out two ipods
(multilingual), a dozen digital collections of world literature (in
English), and over a dozen technical books (in German and English), to
the best overall media and writing nominations.  Today is the last day
to nominate your favorite Wikimedia works!  At least one prize will be
awarded in every category... currently we have three or fewer
submissions  http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Competitions

Please add nominations to the list here:
  Media - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Media_Competition
  Writing - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_writing_contest_nominations

SJ

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SJ | 3 Aug 2005 13:09
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Re: Free ipods, Wikimania media contest, and textual bliss

On 8/3/05, SJ <2.718281828@...> wrote:

> Today is the last day to nominate your favorite Wikimedia works!  
> At least one prize will be awarded in every category... currently we 
> have three or fewer submissions  
... in the following categories:
   * Sketches and Artwork
   * Quote and dictionary collcetions
   * Audio
   * Video (only one submission so far!  one more is guaranteed to
garner at least a sexy spherical t-shirt)

(and we are short on submissions in the Animation division as well)

> Please add nominations to the list here:
>   Media - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Media_Competition
>   Writing - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_writing_contest_nominations

Cheers,
  SJ
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Tim Starling | 3 Aug 2005 18:31
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Re: Explicit copyright assignment to wikimedia foundation

Jean-Baptiste Soufron wrote:
> I was answering Tim Starling who said :
> 
> "I'm not convinced the Foundation should want people to assign  
> copyright to it though. Isn't it a lot
> safer if we don't have ownership of any of the content?"

It was Angela who said that.

-- Tim Starling
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Boris Lohnzweiger | 3 Aug 2005 21:56
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Re: Bizarre vandalism at Cherokee Wikipedia by 217.44.22.219


I think this type of hassle could be avoided to a great extent if people would concentrate on contributing to
Wikipedias in languages they master. Nobody without a sufficient command of Cherokee would ever dare to
think of writing a book in that language. Yet, the wiki system fools some (or many?) people into thinking
they can provide a sensible contribution in foreign languages where they wouldn't be able to make the most
basic conversation. 

I am aware that in most cases this is done well-meaningly. Many small wikipedias are in a pitiful state and
often show virtually no development. This tempts many editors (especially those with a weakness for
languages) to provide "development aid". However, the result is often simply embarrassing. Moreover,
such benevolent activities might even cause the exact opposite as Wikipedias written in a mishmash of
deficient and foreign language will keep any native speakers (potential future contributors !) from
using them.

Boris

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Walter van Kalken | 4 Aug 2005 01:32

Wikibreak

After thinking it over for a couple of days (as opposed to my previous 
overheated runouts) I have decided to go on a wikibreak. I somehow 
evaluated it and found that with everything added my pleasure in working 
on the wikimedia projects has diminished to zero. There are some 
developments to the projects that I do not really like. As people might 
have noticed in previous mails.

I will most surely be back ..... it might be tomorrow, it might be next 
week it might be in a couple of months. Just need to recharge the 
wikibatteries and find the fun in participating in the projects again. 
That fun is kinda gone with me for now.

Walter/Waerth
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Phroziac | 4 Aug 2005 02:25
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Re: Wikibreak

The wikibatteries are wikinimh, wikigel, wikili-ion, wikilipo, or wikinicad?

On 8/3/05, Walter van Kalken <walter@...> wrote:
> After thinking it over for a couple of days (as opposed to my previous
> overheated runouts) I have decided to go on a wikibreak. I somehow
> evaluated it and found that with everything added my pleasure in working
> on the wikimedia projects has diminished to zero. There are some
> developments to the projects that I do not really like. As people might
> have noticed in previous mails.
> 
> I will most surely be back ..... it might be tomorrow, it might be next
> week it might be in a couple of months. Just need to recharge the
> wikibatteries and find the fun in participating in the projects again.
> That fun is kinda gone with me for now.
> 
> Walter/Waerth
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Mark Williamson | 4 Aug 2005 02:50
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Re: Wikibreak

Wikili-ion, I believe.

Mark

On 03/08/05, Phroziac <phroziac@...> wrote:
> The wikibatteries are wikinimh, wikigel, wikili-ion, wikilipo, or wikinicad?
> 
> On 8/3/05, Walter van Kalken <walter@...> wrote:
> > After thinking it over for a couple of days (as opposed to my previous
> > overheated runouts) I have decided to go on a wikibreak. I somehow
> > evaluated it and found that with everything added my pleasure in working
> > on the wikimedia projects has diminished to zero. There are some
> > developments to the projects that I do not really like. As people might
> > have noticed in previous mails.
> >
> > I will most surely be back ..... it might be tomorrow, it might be next
> > week it might be in a couple of months. Just need to recharge the
> > wikibatteries and find the fun in participating in the projects again.
> > That fun is kinda gone with me for now.
> >
> > Walter/Waerth
> > _______________________________________________
> > Wikipedia-l mailing list
> > Wikipedia-l@...
> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
> >
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