Mark Williamson | 1 Feb 01:41 2005
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Re: AW: About langu age names français

The difference is that these are abbreviations of names of Wikipedias,
thus Lèmburgse Wikipedia -> Lèmburgs, Wikipedia Galego (Galipedia) ->
Galego, Wikipédia Français -> Français.

Mark

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:54:43 +0100, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen@...> wrote:
> André Müller wrote:
> 
> >>Hoi,
> >>You find "Italiano" not "italiano" in the interwiki links. That is
> >>different. If you are in a primary school in Italy, your teacher will
> >>make you learn the difference :) .
> >>Thanks,
> >>   Gerard
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hi as well,
> >And where do you see the problem? I don't think this ought to be
> >changed, as capitalized beginnings is one usual way of doing lists. If
> >everything is kept with the first letter capitalized, then I don't see
> >any problems. And I doubt that any Italian, Frenchman, etc. would
> >either. ;)
> >
> >Greetings,
> >- André
> >
> Hoi,
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Stirling Newberry | 1 Feb 01:43 2005
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Re: Sanger response and rating system experiment


On Jan 31, 2005, at 6:46 PM, David Gerard wrote:

> Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales (jwales@...) [050201 07:13]:
>> David Gerard wrote:
>
>>> As Jimbo has said a couple of times (to me at the last London meet, 
>>> and
>>> reported at a previous meet), the best thing to do with a rating 
>>> system at
>>> the moment is ... nothing. Run the rating system for a time period, 
>>> gather
>>> the data, *don't reveal it yet* for fear of affecting the rating
>>> experiment, *then* release the data for scrutiny and ideas. how 
>>> people rate
>>> things given a simple system, see if the results of that rating 
>>> accord with
>>> common sense, see if they approximate the desired Rating System That 
>>> Scales
>>> (the way FAC doesn't quite).
>
>> Yes, perfect.
>
>
> I asked on wikitech-l, and Magnus said his rating code is not (in his
> opinion) ready for prime time yet. Anyone want to beat it into shape in
> short order?
>
>

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Mark Williamson | 1 Feb 05:09 2005
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Re: About language names

And Gerard, please note that Alfio, unlike you, is a native Italian speaker.

Mark

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:05:58 +0100 (MET), Alfio Puglisi
<puglisi@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> 
> >Hoi,
> >You find "Italiano" not "italiano" in the interwiki links. That is
> >different. If you are in a primary school in Italy, your teacher will
> >make you learn the difference :) .
> 
> If you look a the Italian main page, all links on the left bar are
> capitalized, not just the language list. Writing capitalized lists is OK,
> and no one would object to have:
> 
> *English
> *Italiano
> 
> on any list. The contrary would be difficult to read, with mixed
> capitalization.
> 
> Alfio
> _______________________________________________
> Wikipedia-l mailing list
> Wikipedia-l@...
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
>
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Mark Williamson | 1 Feb 05:15 2005
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Strange idea

I thought that perhaps, for a trial period, we could add a
prominently-placed button in articles for not-logged-in readers with
the title of "Report an Error or Suggest Information to Add".

Since so many people don't realise that Wikipedia is for anybody to
edit, this could take them to a new page that explained in bold
letters the concept of Wikipedia and that they could edit the article
themselves, but still have an error-report field in case they still
didn't get it.

While this would obviously be open to abuse, it might also provide
useful feedback from people who otherwise wouldn't contribute
anything, and would definitely serve to let these people know that the
power is in their hands, what with the boldly-placed notice that THEY
can fix it themselves and all.

I'm sure there would be way too much feedback to ever completely sift
through, but I still think it might be useful.

Mark
Frank v Waveren | 1 Feb 05:43 2005

Re: Strange idea

On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 09:15:48PM -0700, Mark Williamson wrote:
> I thought that perhaps, for a trial period, we could add a
> prominently-placed button in articles for not-logged-in readers with
> the title of "Report an Error or Suggest Information to Add".
> 
> Since so many people don't realise that Wikipedia is for anybody to
> edit, this could take them to a new page that explained in bold
> letters the concept of Wikipedia and that they could edit the article
> themselves, but still have an error-report field in case they still
> didn't get it.
> 
> While this would obviously be open to abuse, it might also provide
> useful feedback from people who otherwise wouldn't contribute
> anything, and would definitely serve to let these people know that the
> power is in their hands, what with the boldly-placed notice that THEY
> can fix it themselves and all.
> 
> I'm sure there would be way too much feedback to ever completely sift
> through, but I still think it might be useful.
Sounds like a useful idea. No need for big codebase changes either,
the "add feedback" form could just be an "add new section" edit form
for the article's talk page.

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Kurt Jansson | 1 Feb 06:27 2005
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Re: Strange idea

Mark Williamson schrieb:
> I thought that perhaps, for a trial period, we could add a
> prominently-placed button in articles for not-logged-in readers with
> the title of "Report an Error or Suggest Information to Add".

The German Wikipedia is already doing it, take a look at
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Externhinweis

The notice is only displayed for not-logged-in users on pages that are not 
protected and not userpages, and only on the first Wikipedia page people reach 
from the outside (which in most cases means Google).

Kurt
Gerard Meijssen | 1 Feb 08:58 2005
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Re: About language names

Mark Williamson wrote:

>And Gerard, please note that Alfio, unlike you, is a native Italian speaker.
>
>Mark
>  
>
Which is a totally irrelevant remark. fyi I asked Sabine, she thinks 
that having it as it is written is to be preferrred; her argument is 
that things that are "strange" atract more curiosity. Her credentials as 
to the Italian language are obvious and adequate.

Using this argument is rich when it comes from the "tireless warrior for 
more wikipedia's even though he does not speak all the languages he 
champions". It basically disqualifies you and if you apply this logic to 
yourself, we will not hear that much from you on the mailinglist.

Thanks,
    GerardM

>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:05:58 +0100 (MET), Alfio Puglisi
><puglisi@...> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hoi,
>>>You find "Italiano" not "italiano" in the interwiki links. That is
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Alfio Puglisi | 1 Feb 10:35 2005
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Re: About language names

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

>Mark Williamson wrote:
>
>>And Gerard, please note that Alfio, unlike you, is a native Italian speaker.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>Which is a totally irrelevant remark. fyi I asked Sabine, she thinks
>that having it as it is written is to be preferrred; her argument is
>that things that are "strange" atract more curiosity. Her credentials as
>to the Italian language are obvious and adequate.

Let's keep the tone relaxed, people. I'll just go on record saying that I
couldn't care less if "Italiano" is capitalized or not, and I think that a
vast majority of native speakers feel the same.

The old, formal rule was to always have language names and nationality
adjectives ("the English people") always capitalized, like one can find in
any book from, say, 50 years ago. Common use nowadays is less strict, one
can find both forms. A capitalized nationality adjective feels slightly
strange, a capitalized language name less so.

So the choice can be freely made on different grounds than language
correctness.

Alfio
Sj | 1 Feb 11:13 2005
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Re: Strange idea

A super idea.  I would love to see both a notice like the "Welcome!
you too can edit" notice on de: that Kurt describes, and a "Submit
feedback!" button (with that text, or with Mark's longer text below)
that takes you to the "Add a section to the talk page" form for the
current article.

+sj+

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:27:08 +0100, Kurt Jansson <jansson@...> wrote:
> Mark Williamson schrieb:
> > I thought that perhaps, for a trial period, we could add a
> > prominently-placed button in articles for not-logged-in readers with
> > the title of "Report an Error or Suggest Information to Add".
> 
> The German Wikipedia is already doing it, take a look at
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Externhinweis
> 
> The notice is only displayed for not-logged-in users on pages that are not
> protected and not userpages, and only on the first Wikipedia page people reach
> from the outside (which in most cases means Google).
> 
> Kurt
> _______________________________________________
> Wikipedia-l mailing list
> Wikipedia-l@...
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
> 

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daniwo59 | 1 Feb 13:05 2005
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Re: Strange idea

In a message dated 31/01/2005 23:15:55 Eastern Standard Time, 
node.ue@... writes:
I thought that perhaps, for a trial period, we could add a
prominently-placed button in articles for not-logged-in readers with
the title of "Report an Error or Suggest Information to Add".
I like it. It could be useful. 

Danny

Gmane