Ray Saintonge | 1 Jan 01:47 2005
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Re: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Sj wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:13:56 -0800, Michael Snow
><wikipedia@...> wrote:
>  
>
>>In this article (
>>http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1374741,00.html )
>>Collins compares its new Living Dictionary - which takes submissions
>>from users - to Wikipedia.
>>
>>Maybe this would be a good place to direct the authors of attempted
>>neologisms that end up getting deleted?
>>    
>>
>That's a neat article.  And a good idea for neologisms... we will need
>a good slang dictionary to refer to in ten years once time has
>filtered out those that have no permanence.
>
It seems that Collins' effort is to be snickeringly welcomed.  Our 
experience with protologisms at Wiktionary has been somewhat Rocky.  New 
words are being invented with great regularity, but it's no easy task to 
distinguish between something that expresses a need and someone's flight 
of fancy that is firmly grounded in his illiteracy.  The thought of an 
established institution having to cope with our friendly POV warriors 
brings a smile to my face.

In Wiktionary I seem to have taken on the role of the arch-conservative 
by promoting the concept of verifiability.  This is every bit as 
important as it is in Wikipedia.  Collins works from the anchor of an 
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Walter Vermeir | 1 Jan 02:03 2005
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Re: Perhaps there needs to be a separate intlwiki-l again?

Mark Williamson schreef in gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc:
[cut]
> that frankly there are some people here who don't want to get those
> discussions in their inbox.
[cut]

To all; do not forget you can read the lists and post to it like it 
where a newsgroup. There is no need to recieve emails from this list.

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Fred Bauder | 1 Jan 04:07 2005
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Re: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

I played around a little bit there today. "Wiki" was considered a new word.
"Wikipedia" and "Wikipedian" are being considered, but the definitions are
lifted from the first paragraph of the Wikipedia articles without credit.

Fred

> From: Ray Saintonge <saintonge@...>
> Reply-To: wikipedia-l@...
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:47:23 -0800
> To: Sj <2.718281828@...>, wikipedia-l@...
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
> 
> Sj wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:13:56 -0800, Michael Snow
>> <wikipedia@...> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> In this article (
>>> http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1374741,00.html )
>>> Collins compares its new Living Dictionary - which takes submissions
>>> from users - to Wikipedia.
>>> 
>>> Maybe this would be a good place to direct the authors of attempted
>>> neologisms that end up getting deleted?
>>> 
>>> 
>> That's a neat article.  And a good idea for neologisms... we will need
>> a good slang dictionary to refer to in ten years once time has
>> filtered out those that have no permanence.
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James R. Johnson | 1 Jan 05:30 2005
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RE: start a new Wikipedia / Wikinews

I'm not suggesting that we balkanize or limit to only locally relevant
news...I'm just fine with the idea of en.wikinews.uk being a redirect to the
English wikinews site, though that'd be a bit redundant.  That's the good
thing about wiki as a whole is that it gets over the local bias (the
European bias, American bias, etc.) with so many contributors.

James

-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces@...
[mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Jens Ropers
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 3:53 AM
To: wikipedia-l@...
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] start a new Wikipedia / Wikinews

On 31 Dec 2004, at 02:14, James R. Johnson wrote:

> That's a good idea there...en.wikinews.uk or en.wikinews.usa sound 
> good.

'''Oppose.'''
Beware of balkanization.
The above proposal would lead to a situation where people would not 
only just read about the so-called "locally relevant" issues that 
interest them, but it would probably very soon also lead to the 
respective wikis mostly containing the locally predominant POV -- which 
may be sharply at odds with the rest of the world. There are enough 
global media franchises whose "localized" products sell well enough due 
to added local slant and preselection. Our mission, I dare to believe, 
is to transcend these things and reach for higher goals.
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Daniel Mayer | 1 Jan 08:40 2005
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Re: [In the Press] WP seaquake coverage praised; snippets of New Year's joy

--- Sj <2.718281828@...> wrote:
> Meanwhile 'wiki' continues to infect mainstream vocabulary, in
> preparation for the upcoming Year of the Wiki.  And better editing
> tools are coming out every week, thanks to both MediaWiki updates (did
> you know that 'what links here' now works for categories?) and
> third-party plugins.

Sweet - it also looks like related changes now works from cats
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Recentchangeslinked&target=Category%3AEducation

Being able to get such a related changes with subcats included at the same
time, would be the next logical step. 

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Rich Holton | 1 Jan 08:41 2005
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Re: Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery


--- Fred Bauder <fredbaud@...> wrote:

> I played around a little bit there today. "Wiki" was considered a new
> word.
> "Wikipedia" and "Wikipedian" are being considered, but the
> definitions are
> lifted from the first paragraph of the Wikipedia articles without
> credit.
> 
This concerns me. Anyone else? Not the lack of credit per se, but the
idea that these "words" are being considered as neologisms. Wikipedia
is our trade mark, and perhaps we should also claim "Wikipedian". We
don't want these to fall into general use.

-Rich Holton (en.wikipedia:user:Rholton)

	
		
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Sabine Cretella | 1 Jan 11:05 2005
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Templat for link to wikipedia from an external wiki-installation

Hi, I am creating a local portal based on wikimedia wiki. Now in 
wiktionary we use a template to link the page automatically to wikipedia:

=== ''Vedi anche'' ===
Per informazioni aggiuntive su {{PAGENAME}} vedi  
[[w:{{PAGENAME}}|Wikipedia]]

I tried to transfor this for my portal, but strange things come out

=== ''Vedi anche'' ===
Per informazioni aggiuntive su {{PAGENAME}} vedi  
[http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/{{PAGENAME}} Wikipedia]

(Link to the template: 
http://wesolveitnet.com/maiori/index.php?title=Template:-wikipedia-it-)

You can see an example here:
http://wesolveitnet.com/maiori/index.php?title=Roberto_Rossellini

It seems as if Roberto is seen as the link where to go and Rossellini is 
shown together with "Wikipedia" as the link to klick on.

How should this link be built in order to have it work correctly?

And I'd also like to use this mail to wish you a happy 2005
http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Felice_Anno_Nuovo%21

Ciao, Sabine

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Pete/Pcb21 | 1 Jan 15:56 2005

The fall of thefreedictionary? and other Alexa topics

A few months ago, I wrote on my user page  about how 
thefreedictionary.com was set to overtake wikipedia.org as the 
most-visited (according to Alexa) of the sites providing 
Wikipedia-created content.

(Go to

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=http://www.wikipedia.org#top 

and then type thefreedictionary.com into the compare box to see how 
close they came to overtaking us at the end of October, when I wrote my 
note).

GOOD NEWS: Over the last two months, thefreedictionary.com has lost 
massive amounts of ground to us.

I suspect a lot of this is to do with Google. Thefreedictionary.com 
really worked the Google algorithm well for a long time, returning way 
ahead of Wikipedia and mirrors time after time in searches. I suspect 
that the algorithm has changed to Wikipedia's advantage - we are picking 
up more readers than ever - this should make sure we continue to pick up 
contributors, thus improving the resource even more quickly.

Pete/Pcb21

PS. Wikipedia.org is now listed in the top 100 English language websites 
by Alexa - a newish entry at number 98. (Yes this is a bit of a swizz, 
because only 61% of page views are on wikipedia.org are of English 
pages, but hey it is cool anyway!)

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Peter Gervai | 1 Jan 18:59 2005
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spam find link disappeared?

there was a menu in my sysop options which searched all wikipedias for a
specific ip, which made it possible - but still pretty tiresome - to find
the spam of certain individuals and spambots across several wikipedias and
fix it even after months of harm.

now it seems this option's gone. is it a new local setting, or there's a
hidden reason behind it? now I can only do what I used to do: revert on my
home wikipedia and pray for others to spot it (which they sometimes do, most
often not).

would be nice to have it again, maybe even with smarter functionality.

(actual jerk was
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speci%C3%A1lis:Contributions&target=222.94.39.60
)

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James R. Johnson | 1 Jan 20:04 2005
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Map of Indian Ocean region

Hello all,

            Happy New Year!  And on another topic, does anyone have a blank
map without names of the Indian Ocean Region?  I'd like to put one up on
[[ang]] in Anglo-Saxon.

Thanks,

James

Gmane