Sheng Jiong | 1 Mar 18:18 2004

Chinese Wikipedia featured by 2 media

Hi, everybody, we have got really good news for Chinese Wikipedia in
February.

The Chinese Wikipedia has been reported by two media in mainland China.
The New Magazine based in the southern province of Guangdong had an
article about us on 15 Feb. Another report was from Shanghai Sunday
Morning Post, published yesterday(29 Feb). This is the first time
Wikipedia is reported in mainstream media in China. Besides, Chinese
Wikipedia has been talked about in many Chinese blogs.

These two reports have brought in much traffic for us. We are having
more newcomers, although most of their contributions are only stubs. Up
to now there are 3468 registered users, and only yesterday there were
only around 3,000. And in Alexa.com, we see that about 6% of the traffic
is contributed by ZH Wikipedia, (
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=wikipedia.org )
although we are not the top 10 Wikipedias. But I am worried that despite
the increase in traffic, there might not be a very big increase in
article counts, as from previous experiences we find that Chinese users
are less willing to contribute new articles.
Constans, Camille (C.C. | 1 Mar 12:21 2004
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RE: Wiki-images?


>
>"Constans, Camille (C.C.)" <cconsta4@...> schrieb:
>> I like this idea, but it doesnt exist yet elsewhere ? It's true that
>> a wiki system would be nice.
>
>Well, I have not found anything quite like it. As said, the 
>closest thing 
>would be the GIMP Image Archive (http://gimp-savvy.com/PHOTO-ARCHIVE/),
>but that one has only specific sources (NASA, NOAA, USDA and 
>FWS). I would
>like to give users the possibility to add images they found 
>elsewhere (as
>long as they're PD or Copyleft). It also suffers the 
>disadvantage of not
>having downloaded a context with the image, because of which 
>it is often
>not clear to the volunteer describing the picture what is 
>actually on it.
>
>A second similarity would be Google's image source, but there 
>one cannot
>choose to get only images that are PD or Copyleft, but has to 
>wade through
>masses of copyrighted images to see whether there is one that one is
>allowed to use.
> 
>> But if a picture has nothing to do, how will you choose to keep or 
>> delete it ? Will we use the same system as wikipedia for 
>pages deletion ?
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Fred Bauder | 1 Mar 13:03 2004
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Re: Chinese Wikipedia featured by 2 media

Chinese are known to be wise...

Fred

> From: Sheng Jiong <sheng.jiong@...>
> Reply-To: wikipedia-l@...
> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:18:00 +0000
> To: intlwiki-l@..., wikipedia-l <at> wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Chinese Wikipedia featured by 2 media
> 
> Chinese users
> are less willing to contribute new articles.
Richard Stallman | 1 Mar 13:10 2004
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Re: Re: New "GNU Free Media Licence"? - was: What would Richard Stallman say?

    I would prefer license like GFDL for everythink, but for pictures where a 
    right owner (e.g. institutes) has a higher commercial interrest Creative 
    Commons licenses without the right for commercial use could be a working 
    compromise for both interrests.

I think you have misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia.  It is
supposed to be a free encyclopedia.  This is not a loosely formulated
"interest", it is a specific mission with a commitment to specific
ethical criteria.

    Because I have doubts about the Creative Commons licenses we
    should go on with Richards idea of "free use for educational
    purpose"

No such idea came from me!  On the contrary, I explained why this
would be a bad mistake.  If Wikipedia did this, it would not be a free
encyclopedia any more.

I am sure you mean well with these proposals, but proposing for
Wikipedia to throw away its mission and its commitments is not
the way to be helpful.
Andre Engels | 1 Mar 14:43 2004
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RE: Wiki-images?

"Constans, Camille (C.C.)" <cconsta4@...> schrieb:

> I see no pb to create a new one, but we'll have to create a new one for each language, no ?

No, that would at least not be my idea. I'd rather see a single one,
otherwise we will still be doing the same work over and over again in
the various languages, rather than find new things to include.

> And idea would be to upload pictures, and having the possibility to write in diffferent language about
this picture.

That sounds much better. Personally I would just use English, and hope
that the majority of people looking for images knows enough English to
use that text, but if someone else wants to do antother language, that's
fine with me too.

Andre
Lars Aronsson | 1 Mar 16:08 2004
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Re: Re: WikiGIS perhaps? (was: Mapping complement toWikipedia?)

Elly Waterman wrote:
> In the Netherlands, most GIS data are owned by publicly funded
> organisations, but cannot be used freely. To the contrary these data a very
> expensive.

This is the case in most of Europe.  The issue is discussed on the
EGIP mailing list (European Geographic Information Policy),
http://www.ec-gis.org/egip/

The aforementioned GRASS and other free mapping software are discussed
on the FreeGIS mailing list,
http://intevation.de/mailman/listinfo/freegis-list

Both lists have archives available online.

Most GIS systems are organized as "layers", such as rivers, roads,
city names, county borders, elevation, vegetation types, etc.  To
compile a map for a specific purpose, you select some of the layers, a
particular area, scale (zoom), and projection (transformation of
coordinates).  The more layers we can make available, the better.
But a wiki-like project could be useful even if it only produces a few
such layers, for example a list of city names and their coordinates.
This can easily be edited in text using today's wiki technology.  In
Wikipedia's case, each name (of cities, counties or rivers) can also
be tied to the disambiguated name of a Wikipedia article, so clickable
maps can be compiled.

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Schneelocke | 1 Mar 19:53 2004
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Wikipedia featured in German weekly magazine

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to let you know that Germany's most influential weekly
magazine, Der Spiegel, has an article on Wikipedia in the "Technik"
(technology) section of their latest edition, titled "Rapunzel bis
Regenzeit". This should be another boost! ^^

Unfortunately, there's no online version of the article available; I'll can
try to do a rough translation for meta in the next week if anyone's
interested, though.

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Thomas R. Koll | 1 Mar 20:20 2004
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Re: Wikipedia featured in German weekly magazine

On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 07:53:23PM +0100, Schneelocke wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that Germany's most influential weekly
> magazine, Der Spiegel, has an article on Wikipedia in the "Technik"
> (technology) section of their latest edition, titled "Rapunzel bis
> Regenzeit". This should be another boost! ^^
> 
> Unfortunately, there's no online version of the article available; I'll can
> try to do a rough translation for meta in the next week if anyone's
> interested, though.

and right now Wikipedia is getting inaccessibly due to a news-report
on RTL2 television.

sorry.

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Lars Aronsson | 2 Mar 04:46 2004
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Re: Re: New "GNU Free Media Licence"? - was: What would Richard Stallman say?

Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
> Scaling down an image is a lossy operation, so the owner needn't worry that we
> we (or someone using Wikipedia material) scaled that image back up - the

Isn't that just like distributing object code?  The more detailed
image could (in some respect) be considered the source code.

Are there any "GNU" image projects that have dealt with this already?

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Delirium | 2 Mar 05:13 2004

Re: Re: WikiGIS perhaps?

Lars Aronsson wrote:

>Elly Waterman wrote:
>  
>
>>In the Netherlands, most GIS data are owned by publicly funded
>>organisations, but cannot be used freely. To the contrary these data a very
>>expensive.
>>    
>>
>
>This is the case in most of Europe.  The issue is discussed on the
>EGIP mailing list (European Geographic Information Policy),
>http://www.ec-gis.org/egip/
>  
>
 From that, I can't seem to figure out if the issue is an access one (we 
can't get the data) or a legal one (we're not allowed to use the data).  
If the latter, I think we can safely ignore it, at least in the US: a 
simple database of factual data is not copyrightable in the US, so once 
we can our hands on it, we can do whatever we want with it, regardless 
of what the person who put the data together says we can do with it.

-Mark

Gmane