Fred Bauder | 1 Nov 12:09 2003
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Allowing use of the Creative Commons license as an option

I have decided to offer the  different Creative Commons licenses as an
option on Internet-Encyclopedia and have changed the notice at the bottom
of the page to this:

"gnunote" => "Unless some other copyright license such as one of the <a
href='http://creativecommons.org/licenses/'>Creative Commons licenses</a>
has been selected by the original author of an article all text is
available under the terms of the <a
href='http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=GNU_Free_Documentati
on_License'>GNU Free Documentation License</a>. Use of images may be
restricted, check the description of the image for details.

This should allow the use of the Public Library of Science articles and
material available under any other licence including material available
only for non-profit use or otherwise restricted available for use.

As to whether Wikipedia should make a similar change...

Fred
Lars Aronsson | 1 Nov 14:44 2003
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Re: NPOV disputes in Polish-German articles

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> Gdansk definitely was never a "German" city. Its Slavonic name is original,
> and Slavonic inhabitants of that city has been always calling it that way.
> That Germans living there used different name doesn't matter much

After having seen Gdansk, I cannot agree with this description.  The
old town's entire architecture and purpose as a trading port of the
Teutonic Orden, with its monopoly on the amber trade, is what I would
describe as "German".  This includes the St. Mary church, inspired
directly from the brick castle of Marienburg / Malbork.

I cannot claim to be an expert on anything Polish or German, but my
disagreement should be interpreted as an indication of an area where
Wikipedia should provide more background in the form of verifiable
facts rather than assertions that it "was never a German city".  Such
assertions only serve to disqualify those who utter them.

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Lars Aronsson | 1 Nov 15:05 2003
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Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] NPOV disputes in Polish-German articles

Peter Gervai wrote:
> In english, I believe either you have one which is used in
> _English_speaking_ countries (eg. dictionaries, encyclopedias, other
> references), or if there are more, first come first serve, others can
> redirect at their own pleasure.
>
> I'd probably use "danzig" to describe the darned place and "history of
> gdansk" when talking about its heroic past. And I wouldn't forget to

Relying on tradition is not necessarily NPOV, as English (as well as
Swedish) readers have traditionally got their information about Poland
through German sources.  England has strong historic ties with Hanover
(even its own spelling of the city's name), and Sweden's main trading
partner has most often been Germany.

When I travel from Sweden to Finland to Russia, I feel that I am
abroad when I enter Finland, but on my way back, I feel that I am
coming home when I re-enter Finland.  The same goes for
Sweden-Germany-Poland.  Brits or Americans might feel the same if they
return to Spain from Morocco.  This doesn't mean we should limit
ourselves to the traditional Spanish view of Morocco.  I think we
should be aware that the traditional perspective might be biased, and
actively seek other sources of information.  But of course that
information (too) should be NPOV and verifiable.

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Alex R. | 1 Nov 16:55 2003
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Re: Allowing use of the Creative Commons license as an option

 From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud@...>
To: <wikilegal-l@...>

> I have decided to offer the  different Creative Commons licenses as an
> option on Internet-Encyclopedia and have changed the notice at the bottom
> of the page to this:
>
> "gnunote" => "Unless some other copyright license such as one of the <a
> href='http://creativecommons.org/licenses/'>Creative Commons licenses</a>
> has been selected by the original author of an article all text is
> available under the terms of the <a
>
href='http://www.internet-encyclopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=GNU_Free_Documen
tati
> on_License'>GNU Free Documentation License</a>. Use of images may be
> restricted, check the description of the image for details.
>
> This should allow the use of the Public Library of Science articles and
> material available under any other licence including material available
> only for non-profit use or otherwise restricted available for use.
>
> As to whether Wikipedia should make a similar change...
>
> Fred

The question is, does invoking the group of CC licenses create invariant
sections? Or is it possible to look at this as a copyright notice under
GFDL?
I am not quite sure.

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Karl Eichwalder | 1 Nov 17:51 2003
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Statistics?

Are there any statistics publically available?  Which SQL statements
are issued when?

Broundground for my question is: at certain times de.wikipedia is
terribly overloaded (or unresponsive) and I'd like to know the reason
why.

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Jurriaan Schulman | 2 Nov 12:35 2003
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http://www.sxc.hu/

Is there any reason why one couldn't use pictures from http://www.sxc.hu/
for wikipedia?

Jurriaan
Erik Moeller | 2 Nov 12:50 2003
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http://www.sxc.hu/

Jurriaan-
> Is there any reason why one couldn't use pictures from http://www.sxc.hu/
> for wikipedia?

Nice find! Using these photos should be no problem if there are no  
individual usage restrictions on the photo in question. The only  
problematic part of their Terms of Use which I can see is the following:

---
3.) You are not allowed to use any of the images found herein for the  
purpose of spreading hate or discrimination, or to defame or victimise  
other people, sociteties, cultures.

        from http://www.sxc.hu/info.phtml?f=terms
---

However, this is from the Terms of Use of the website itself, and not a  
required condition for uploaders, but for downloaders. So I doubt it has  
any real legal effect.

Regards,

Erik
Brion Vibber | 2 Nov 12:53 2003
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http://www.sxc.hu/

On Nov 2, 2003, at 03:35, Jurriaan Schulman wrote:

> Is there any reason why one couldn't use pictures from 
> http://www.sxc.hu/
> for wikipedia?

<IANAL>

http://www.sxc.hu/info.phtml?f=terms

"1.) You may use any of the photos in our system free of charge for any 
commercial or personal design work if you obey the specified 
restrictions concerning each photo you download."

The license terms for individual pictures will vary, so be careful to 
check them.

"2.) Selling these photos (individually, or as a whole) without written 
permission is prohibited. Using the photos in website templates, on 
postcards, mugs etc. doesn't count as selling."

This sounds kind of vague, but the GNU Free Documentation License does 
*not* prohibit selling works, and *does* prohibit further restrictions. 
Wikipedia articles or derivatives of them may be printed, pressed, or 
taped and sold (in addition to being given away for free or cost of 
reproduction). Just something to consider.

-- brion vibber (brion  <at>  pobox.com)
Jimmy Wales | 2 Nov 14:22 2003

http://www.sxc.hu/

I wonder if one person could volunteer to email them and sell them on
using the GNU FDL for their images.

Brion Vibber wrote:

> On Nov 2, 2003, at 03:35, Jurriaan Schulman wrote:
> 
> >Is there any reason why one couldn't use pictures from 
> >http://www.sxc.hu/
> >for wikipedia?
> 
> <IANAL>
> 
> http://www.sxc.hu/info.phtml?f=terms
> 
> "1.) You may use any of the photos in our system free of charge for any 
> commercial or personal design work if you obey the specified 
> restrictions concerning each photo you download."
> 
> The license terms for individual pictures will vary, so be careful to 
> check them.
> 
> "2.) Selling these photos (individually, or as a whole) without written 
> permission is prohibited. Using the photos in website templates, on 
> postcards, mugs etc. doesn't count as selling."
> 
> This sounds kind of vague, but the GNU Free Documentation License does 
> *not* prohibit selling works, and *does* prohibit further restrictions. 
> Wikipedia articles or derivatives of them may be printed, pressed, or 
> taped and sold (in addition to being given away for free or cost of 
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Karl Eichwalder | 2 Nov 18:08 2003
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Re: Statistics?

Karl Eichwalder <ke@...> writes:

> Are there any statistics publically available?  Which SQL statements
> are issued when?
>
> Broundground for my question is: at certain times de.wikipedia is
> terribly overloaded (or unresponsive) and I'd like to know the reason
> why.

Today the same again.  Is the the time when google fetches the whole
thing?  I cannot access the German WP for more than 13' - accessing the
English version works, more or less instantly.

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