Jonathan Walther | 1 Dec 01:31 2002
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Re: Subpages

On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 02:05:43PM -0500, Jason Rodzilla Rodzik wrote:
>I see no reason not to include it.  If people don't like it, just don't use
>it.  It does have a useful purpose, allowing you to make pages that are
>under another page(such as /Changes, /Ideas, /Rants, etc...) without running
>into a problem where you have a page named Page_1_Rants and Page_2_Rants and
>so on..

I guess I just don't see that as a problem.  Also, adding in new code to
the codebase for no good reason enhances the complexity, potential bugs,
slows things down, and for no real benefit.

Jonathan

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tarquin | 1 Dec 16:02 2002

the "changes starting from ..." link

well done to whoever thought of this one.
I didn't get it at first -- but then it dawned on me how useful this is 
-- each time you click on it you get only changes you haven't seen yet.
the best thing is this: when you sign off from the pedia, go to your 
open RC page, and drag that link up to the bookmarks bar. You now have a 
link to pick up exactly where you left off ready for next time you log on.

cool stuff! :-)

Jason "Rodzilla" Rodzik | 1 Dec 18:54 2002

Re: Subpages

As a possible alternative to implementing this on wikipedia.org, would
anyone be willing to work on implementing this on your own and distributing
the code changes, but not implementing it in CVS?

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Anthere | 1 Dec 20:24 2002
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Vandalism spree

Vandalisme : 

N'oubliez pas de mettre un message sur la liste
française en cas de vandalisme : plus de chance
d'attraper un sysop non actif sur la wikipédia

Eventuellement, mettre aussi un message à Tarquin sur
la wikipédia anglaise, il peut s'y trouver et venir
aider à bloquer les ip

Aussi, en cas de submergement, mettre un message sur
la main liste pour demander de l aide à la réversion

Peut-etre mettre un mot sur la wikitech si il est
nécessaire de bloquer un vandale logué

Oui, il faut que plus de personnes prennent le status
sysop pour aider en cas de pb

Néanmoins cela ne changera rien en cas de vandalisme
logué, ou en cas de vandalisme aux heures creuses.

Heureusement que Shai etait la...

http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2002-November/007713.html

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Anthere | 1 Dec 20:28 2002
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Re: Vandalism spree

Brion, 

Quand un utilisateur a été bloqué, pourquoi son ip
apparait t elle toujours avec (bloque) dans les recent
change ???
La seule facon de savoir si il est effectivement
bloque est d aller voir sur la liste des adresses
bloquees. C est une perte de temps. Il faudrait
pouvoir voir directement dans les recent changes si
une ip a été bloquée en aval ou pas.

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Anthere | 1 Dec 20:58 2002
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Re: Vandalism spree

Please, could so promote some sysop for the fr.wiki
and come help...I cannot stay...and shai is the only
sysop to be avail

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Jens Frank | 2 Dec 01:25 2002
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Re: Helga banned

On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 11:21:29AM -0800, Toby Bartels wrote:
> Eclecticology wrote:
> 
> >Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
> 
> >>Helga is back on the Wikipedia (see the user talk for H. Jonat). As far as
> >>I can tell, she was banned on September 9, for three months. Have I missed
> >>an announcement, or is this return without Jimbo's knowledge/assent?
> 
> >If she's here that's a fact.  The arbitrary 3-month period should not be
> >treated so significantly.  What's really important is her behaviour from
> >now forward.  Dwelling on her past sins doesn't help anybody.
> 
> There is the issue of the integrity of banning procedures.
> She can only have been unbanned by an administrator,
> and there was discussion earlier on the list that her time was about up.
> I suspect that somebody simply messed up the timing.
> If this is correct, and there was no subversion of the process,
> then you're right, we should concentrate on her behaviour now.
> But if she did an end run on the system (and Jimbo's wishes) somehow,
> then that shouldn't be rewarded.

I think Jimbo unbanned her. But I think it was a fault. Frau Jonat is
doing what she's done before (List in no particular order):

* Shows disrespect against the Polish national border:
http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wolin&diff=452458&oldid=452448

* reverting articles to a status that was considered
  wrong by other experts, without providing prove or
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Ray Saintonge | 2 Dec 11:55 2002
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Re: Helga banned

Jens Frank wrote:

>I think Jimbo unbanned her. But I think it was a fault. Frau Jonat is
>doing what she's done before (List in no particular order):
>
>* Shows disrespect against the Polish national border:
>http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wolin&diff=452458&oldid=452448
>
>* reverting articles to a status that was considered
>  wrong by other experts, without providing prove or
>  arguments for her position
>http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Boleslaus_I_of_Poland&diff=456005&oldid=443686
>
>* Changing articles from NPOV 
>http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=History_of_Lithuania&diff=456047&oldid=452553
>
>* Articles which do not cover the subject
>http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Galindan_language&oldid=456004
>
I've reviewed these articles, and although some of the changes seem 
debatable, or involve exchanging one POV for another, that is nothing 
unusual in the thrust and parry of debate.  To say that adding the 
single word "current" to "Polish border"  is a disrespect of Polish 
borders  makes arguments out of nothing.  The addition is at worst a 
redundency of trivial importance.  

If temporary bans are to have any value, fair-mindedness demands that 
when the offender returns to the community her contributions be judged 
with the same objectivity that would be applied to any other 
contributors.  There is no need to look at her contributions through a 
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Bridget Rinkleff | 2 Dec 17:35 2002
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Plz stop harrassing Helga

Plz stop harrassing Helga. It was argued that her changes were POV by changing German ultimatum to German/Lithuana treaty --- it seems to me that Helga was making the article not only NPOV but also more informative, as ultimatum is a much more weighted word than treaty.

 

On Boleslaus I - the changes do not make me wish to ban Helga-it makes me wonder why, if Helga is wrong and Boleslaus managed to pass the crowd to successors, then why doesn't the page link to these successors?


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Gareth Owen | 2 Dec 17:43 2002
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Re: Plz stop harrassing Helga

Bridget Rinkleff <lapollutionestsimauvaise@...> writes:

> Helga was making the article not only NPOV but also more informative, as
> ultimatum is a much more weighted word than treaty.

Yes.  But it wasn't  a treaty and it *was* an ultimatum.

Von Ribbentrop told the Lithuanian minister
   "The situation in the Klaipëda Territory is such that any minute German
    blood may be spilled there, and if that happens the German army will march
    into Lithuania and nobody can predict where it may halt."

Thats not a treaty, thats an ultimatum, if not an outright threat. The only
relevant treaty, that of 1927, said Klaipëda was a Lithuanian territory.

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