Pierre Abbat | 1 Jul 2002 03:32

Re: Wikipedia software; Apache vulnerability

On Sunday 30 June 2002 12:40, Magnus Manske wrote:
> > Maybe we could simply turn it off for a short period and see what
> > happens?
>
> That's probably worth a shot; we could live without that function for a
> while, and there'd be no information loss if we turn it off. Jimbo? Jason?

Well I use it to figure out if a file's junk: if the uploader hasn't 
contributed anything, it's junk. But it may be enough to put 
special:contributions in robots.txt. I suspect that the robots are reading 
those pages more than the people.

phma

Karen AKA Kajikit | 1 Jul 2002 05:12
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Re: Complete breakdown of wikipedia?

I'm having zero ability to access the wikipedia over the last few days
too... it used to be that I could use it just fine during the Australian
daytime, but once the sun rose in America I couldn't do anything because
there was too much traffic and everything timed out. This week access
speed has dropped down to zero 24/7... 

I hope that whatever's going on can be fixed quickly... because if it's
stopping us from working on the pedia it's also stopping anyone from
accessing articles through Google and using them for research purposes. 

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Magnus Manske | 1 Jul 2002 08:46
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Disambiguation pages

There might be a half-automatic solution to the problem:
1. We agree that all DPs link to [[wikipedia:Disambiguation page]] or something.
This needs to be done by whomever generates a new DP.
2. It would then be easy to find all DPs by their link to [[wikipedia:Disambiguation
page]].
3. Then, a special page could list all pages that link to these DPs (for
example, all links to [[virus]]). These would be the pages that need to
be "fixed" manually.

4. In a next step, there could be a list of all links from the DP (in this
case, all the pages that [[virus]] links to) as a list next to each page
that needs to be fixed. Choosing one could automagically fix the link.

Note that point 4 is a thing for the far future;)

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Pierre Abbat | 1 Jul 2002 13:05

More Arabic

Asmar uploaded a photocopy of a letter in Arabic with the heading 
"Al-`ahrab", with what I at firt was a date, but as it says "Almand 50, 
1355", it can't be a date on any calendar I'm aware of. It is a list with 
five numbered items, but as I don't know Arabic, I have no idea what they are.

If someone uploads something in Arabic to Wikipedia, what, besides delete it, 
should I do?

phma

Vicki Rosenzweig | 1 Jul 2002 14:40

Re: More Arabic

At 07:05 AM 7/1/02 -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>Asmar uploaded a photocopy of a letter in Arabic with the heading
>"Al-`ahrab", with what I at firt was a date, but as it says "Almand 50,
>1355", it can't be a date on any calendar I'm aware of. It is a list with
>five numbered items, but as I don't know Arabic, I have no idea what they are.
>
>If someone uploads something in Arabic to Wikipedia, what, besides delete it,
>should I do?

Don't delete it.

The upload area is shared by all the Wikipedias, not just the English-language
one; this could very well be an entirely reasonable example or illustration for
the Arabic wiki.
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Pierre Abbat | 1 Jul 2002 14:56

Re: More Arabic

On Monday 01 July 2002 08:40, Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
> Don't delete it.
>
> The upload area is shared by all the Wikipedias, not just the
> English-language one; this could very well be an entirely reasonable
> example or illustration for the Arabic wiki.

It's still at http://www.wikipedia.com/upload/jj.jpg (I've been repeatedly 
hitting reload on the upload page and getting timeouts). Does it look like an 
example or illustration for an encyclopedia? Not to me. It looks to me more 
like an Arab is using our website as a dead drop.

phma

Jimmy Wales | 1 Jul 2002 15:53

Re: Disambiguation pages

Bryan Derksen wrote:
> To play devil's advocate, I think a case can be made that disambiguation 
> pages make spontaneous linking much easier. For example, a contributor 
> working on an article about Klez or Ebola could link to [[virus]] without 
> having to even realize that there _are_ two alternate uses for the term, 
> let alone knowing what specific names they're under; the "virus" link will 
> show up as valid, and anyone following it will presumably be able to figure 
> out which type of virus was being referred to and move on to the full-scale 
> article from there.

Here's a cute idea.

Suppose the virus page is a pure disambiguation page.  It links to
[[biological virus]] and [[computer virus]].  Suppose further that
there is a true/false flag in the database which can be turned on to
indicate that this is a disambiguation page.

Whenever someone saves a page with a link to [[virus]], the system
notices that [[virus]] is a pure disambiguation page, because someone
set that flag.  Then the author is given a chance to select which of
the pages that is really intended: [[virus]], [[biological virus]],
[[computer virus]].

If someone really wants to link to the disamb. page, then they can.  Else,
they are given alternatives.

The text of the article would not be changed, just the link.  [[virus|biological virus]]
for example.

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Jimmy Wales | 1 Jul 2002 15:57

Re: Nupedia question

Pierre Abbat wrote:
> I looked for Nupedia and found that it's in Anthomyiidae. I looked on 
> Nearctica for Anthomyiidae and found that it lists Nupedia only in 
> parentheses after Pegoplata. Is the name valid?

Wow, I don't know what this means.

Tim Chambers | 1 Jul 2002 16:27
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Re: Complete breakdown of wikipedia?

Karen AKA Kajikit wrote:
> I hope that whatever's going on can be fixed quickly... because if
> it's stopping us from working on the pedia it's also stopping anyone
> from accessing articles through Google and using them for research
> purposes.

Well put! I received a complaint [1] Friday at Kuro5hin because I
cited 'pedia articles that couldn't be accessed.

Jimbo, Magnus, Jason, et. al. -- I once again express my deep
gratitude for the resources that you all supply (hardware, software,
bandwidth, and admin). Please keep us all updated about how the
improvements are going and what we can do to help!

I tried to get to http://meta.wikipedia.com/ to see if there was
already a page started to talk about this issue, but I can't get to
it, either. FWIW, I also can't get to http://www.nupedia.com/.

Lest this be a matter of money, follow K5's lead! [2]

<>< Tim

[1] http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/6/28/154536/277/10#10
[2] http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/17/23933/5831

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Tim Chambers | 1 Jul 2002 16:35
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I'm "published!" Anyone else care about Great Books?

Yesterday was my   4 0 t h   b i r t h d a y. [1] So what a pleasing
gift it was that K5 saw fit to publish to the Culture section a
tribute to Mortimer Adler that I wrote. It was based on edits I
made to Adler's 'pedia article!

Here's the intro the the article [2].  I'd love to hear from
'pedia list members in the K5 comments section.

    Friday, June 28th marked the first anniversary of the passing
    of Mortimer Adler, founder of the Great Books program, so it
    is fitting to enter into a discussion about what should be on
    a list of the absolute best books to read...and why.  Then
    there are the related questions, such as: why did Adler see
    fit to declare a "canon" of great books in the first place?

[1] but I don't want search engines to reveal that fact. :-)
[2] http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/6/30/10131/1418

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