headers
Jan Hidders | 1 Mar 2002 09:01
Picon

Re: Wikification function proposal

From: "Brion L. VIBBER" <brion@...>
> On ĵaŭ, 2002-02-28 at 08:06, Jan Hidders wrote:
> > From: <kband@...>
> > >
> > > The new software renders [[hand|hands]] and [[hand]]s the same
> > > as a single link (try it!), [...]
> >
> > Hmm, isn't that a bit language specific? I'd prefer it if we didn't have
> > language specific things in our central code base.
>
> What the actual code does isn't quite so specific. If a [[link]] is
> immediately followed by some chunk of the lowercase letters [a-z], the
> link gets expanded over that area. So the entire word will appear as a
> link in:
>   [[link]]s = [[link|links]]
>   [[link]]ing = [[link|linking]]
>   [[ligilo]]n = [[ligilo|ligilon]]
>   [[I forgot the]]space = [[I forgot the|I forgot thespace]]

Ok. Then I have no problem with it.

-- Jan Hidders
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
David Jones | 1 Mar 2002 15:07
Picon
Favicon
Gravatar

Editing using the Opera Web Browser

I am just trying out Opera on Windows (www.opera.com) (Version 6.01
Build 1041 Platform Win32).

I can't edit a page.

For example,

http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/SPARC&action=edit

because the HTML seems to be bad.  When I click the "Edit this page"
link I see a page which has an editable text box with no text in, and all
the text that is obviously supposed to be in the box has been rendered
outside of the box.

I validated the edit page (
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikipedia.com%2Fwiki%2FSPARC%26action%3Dedit&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline
)

And got the following:

::  Line 22, column 6:
::  
::    </HEAD><BODY  bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
::          ^
::  
::  Error: end tag for element "HEAD" which is not open; try removing the
::  end tag or check for improper nesting of elements
::  
::  Line 22, column 31:
::
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 1 comment |
headers
Brion L. VIBBER | 1 Mar 2002 17:35
Picon
Favicon
Gravatar

Re: Editing using the Opera Web Browser

On ven, 2002-03-01 at 06:07, David Jones wrote:
> It looks like the close tags for HEAD and BODY and HTML are in the wrong
> place, and that META is closed.
> 
> I guess that upsets opera enough to stop it rendering properly.
> 
> Any chance of a fix / some documentation so that I can do it myself?

I fixed all these yesterday. Jimbo, the fixes are in wiki.phtml, could
you update it when you get a chance?

-- brion vibber (brion  <at>  pobox.com)
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Larry Sanger | 1 Mar 2002 20:32

My resignation

Dear friends:

I hereby resign as editor-in-chief of Nupedia and I also hereby give up
any position of authority I had with Wikipedia; assuming particularly that
funding will not be able to be found for the position of Nupedia
editor-in-chief (see below), I don't intend to work on either project any
significant amount within the next few months, and very possibly ever.

Obviously, I owe you an explanation.

First, let me stress that this has *nothing* to do with my lack of faith
in the projects or in the nobility of the mission.  It also has absolutely
nothing to do with my relationship with Jimbo or Bomis, which remains
friendly.  I really *do* hope the projects go on to great successes, even
without me.  It is even still possible even that Bomis, or a future
Nupedia Foundation, will find the money to pay for my job, and I might be
in a position to come back to the old job.  But I'm frankly not expecting
this.

As you know, since the beginning of February, I've been working on
Wikipedia and Nupedia as a part-time volunteer.  I haven't been able to do
nearly as much as I wish I could do, but job-hunting and money-making
activities necessarily occupy a great deal of my time.  Unfortunately, I
do not expect to see, within the foreseeable future, any sort of
compensation for the time and responsibility I've continued to hold in the
projects.  Now that I'm unemployed, I can ill afford to spend my free time
this way.  This is, I'm afraid, *by far* the most important reason for my
resignation.

Second, a little bit of history will help to explain this as well.  I was
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
kband | 1 Mar 2002 21:56

Re: My resignation

> 
> Dear friends:
> 
> I hereby resign as editor-in-chief of Nupedia and I also hereby give up
> any position of authority I had with Wikipedia; assuming particularly that
> funding will not be able to be found for the position of Nupedia
> editor-in-chief (see below), I don't intend to work on either project any
> significant amount within the next few months, and very possibly ever.

I know that we've hardly been on the best of terms, but I want you to know
that I'll always consider you one of the the most important Wikipedians,
and I hope that you'll always think of yourself as a Wikipedian, even
if you don't have much time to contribute.

Herding cats ain't easy; you did a good job, all things considered.

--the cunctator
Permalink | Reply | 1 comment |
headers
Jimmy Wales | 1 Mar 2002 21:44

Advertisements

With the resignation of Larry, there is a much less pressing need for
funds.  Therefore, all plans to put advertising of any kind on the
wikipedia is called off for now.

We will move forward with plans for a nonprofit foundation to own
wikipedia, and possibly to solicit donations and grants to help us
carry out our mission.  (Ironically, I think that grant money would
come with many annoying strings attached, which we could not accept,
comparted to advertising money, which is virtually 100% string-free.)

Just as the National Geographic Society is supported in large part by
advertisments in the National Geographic Magazine, I expect this to be
a potentially necessary thing at some point in the future, if we wish
to have an impact beyond our own little corner of the Internet.  (And,
I think we all do.)

But for now, there's no pressing need unless and until we find chaos
descending on us from the lack of constant oversight.

The hosting of Wikipedia I can continue to do for no charge for the
foreseeable future.  Even if Wikipedia traffic were to grow by a
factor of 10, I would be willing to absorb all the bandwidth and
hardware costs.  If it grows beyond a factor of 100 or 1000,
obviously, alternative solutions would have to be found.
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Larry Sanger | 1 Mar 2002 22:17

Re: My resignation

Oh, how nice and gracious this was.  Oh, thank you SO much, Cunctator.

I'm sure glad I won't have to deal with you anymore, Cunctator.  You're a
friggin' piece of work.

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 kband@... wrote:

> >
> > Dear friends:
> >
> > I hereby resign as editor-in-chief of Nupedia and I also hereby give up
> > any position of authority I had with Wikipedia; assuming particularly that
> > funding will not be able to be found for the position of Nupedia
> > editor-in-chief (see below), I don't intend to work on either project any
> > significant amount within the next few months, and very possibly ever.
>
> I know that we've hardly been on the best of terms, but I want you to know
> that I'll always consider you one of the the most important Wikipedians,
> and I hope that you'll always think of yourself as a Wikipedian, even
> if you don't have much time to contribute.
>
> Herding cats ain't easy; you did a good job, all things considered.
>
> --the cunctator
> [Wikipedia-l]
> To manage your subscription to this list, please go here:
> http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
>
(Continue reading)

Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
kband | 1 Mar 2002 22:16

Re: Advertisements

>> But for now, there's no pressing need unless and until we find chaos
> descending on us from the lack of constant oversight.

Which really means that its important for all of us, every contributor,
to feel vested with responsibility. We are all responsible for oversight.

Chaos will come if a) we are unable to work together to provide that
oversight or b) if too many of us don't feel that responsibility (the
equivalent of a representative democracy where only 40% vote and only
2% ever run for office).

> The hosting of Wikipedia I can continue to do for no charge for the
> foreseeable future.  Even if Wikipedia traffic were to grow by a
> factor of 10, I would be willing to absorb all the bandwidth and
> hardware costs.  If it grows beyond a factor of 100 or 1000,
> obviously, alternative solutions would have to be found.

Speaking of which, I think it would be great if we started thinking
about mechanisms for distributing the hosting of Wikipedia. Does
anyone have any thoughts on how a (to some degre) distributed solution
could work?

--tc
Permalink | Reply | 7 comments |
headers
Larry Sanger | 1 Mar 2002 22:33

Re: Advertisements

On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 kband@... wrote:

> >> But for now, there's no pressing need unless and until we find chaos
> > descending on us from the lack of constant oversight.
>
> Which really means that its important for all of us, every contributor,
> to feel vested with responsibility. We are all responsible for oversight.

I agree.  I think that the Cunctator is one person you have to watch like
a hawk, however, and he of all people has no moral right to say what he is
saying here.

> > The hosting of Wikipedia I can continue to do for no charge for the
> > foreseeable future.  Even if Wikipedia traffic were to grow by a
> > factor of 10, I would be willing to absorb all the bandwidth and
> > hardware costs.  If it grows beyond a factor of 100 or 1000,
> > obviously, alternative solutions would have to be found.
>
> Speaking of which, I think it would be great if we started thinking
> about mechanisms for distributing the hosting of Wikipedia. Does
> anyone have any thoughts on how a (to some degre) distributed solution
> could work?

Frankly, this is hardly the time to bring this up.  You have a lot more
pressing issues before you.

Larry
Permalink | Reply | 0 comments |
headers
Jimmy Wales | 1 Mar 2002 22:41

Re: Advertisements

> Speaking of which, I think it would be great if we started thinking
> about mechanisms for distributing the hosting of Wikipedia. Does
> anyone have any thoughts on how a (to some degre) distributed solution
> could work?

It strikes me, from a technical point of view, as very unlikely that
distributed hosting will ever be the right solution.  Distributed
funding, maybe, but distributed hosting just really doesn't make
sense.

--Jimbo
Permalink | Reply | 4 comments |

Gmane