Re: Tricky problem rendering tiles (coastline incomplete)

Hi

Am 25.01.2012 22:09, schrieb Kay Drangmeister:
> If I rename shoreline_300.shp away then I cannot render anything due
> to errors, so it's the correct file being used.
Did you try fetching a new version of that file?

Peter

Re: Tricky problem rendering tiles (coastline incomplete)

Am 01.02.2012 22:05, schrieb Peter Körner:
>> If I rename shoreline_300.shp away then I cannot render anything due
>> to errors, so it's the correct file being used.
> Did you try fetching a new version of that file?

Yes. If rendered with a small python program:
http://crite.net/fr/
it is rendered correctly, which shows that
mapnik2 is OK and the data is OK.

So I believe that either
* tirex
* my tirex configuration, e.g. extents or projection
* mapnik C++ bindings (used by tirex)
is broken.

I'd wish I had a small C++ test rendering program
which would let me verify item 3.

Kind regards,
Kay

Re: adding new name:XX tags semi-automatically

2012/1/30 Peter Körner <osm-lists@...>:
> I like it, but IÄve some questions:
>  - does the generated .osc-file only contain the items I personally marked
> as okay or all changes marked by anyone? How can I upload changes made by
> others under my username without violating the license? Would be better to
> couple it with a session, so only my own changes are uploaded by me.

It's now session based.

>  - Why do you display items where the proposed name:xx tag is identical to
> the existing name-tag?

Those shouldn't be displayed.

>  - Would you mind adding a not-okay button, which hides the item (at least
> for my session)?

Will add it later.

>  - How often is the list updated
>

The OSM wikipedia links and interlanguage links are fetched weekly.

______

I wonder why osm_id and tags don't match in planet_polygon:

osm_mapnik=> SELECT osm_id, name, tags->'wikipedia' AS wikipedia FROM
planet_polygon WHERE osm_id=-1685716;

Re: adding new name:XX tags semi-automatically

Hi
> I wonder why osm_id and tags don't match in planet_polygon:
>
>
> osm_mapnik=>  SELECT osm_id, name, tags->'wikipedia' AS wikipedia FROM
> planet_polygon WHERE osm_id=-1685716;
>    osm_id  | name  | wikipedia
> ----------+-------+-----------
>   -1685716 | Utøya | Utøya
> (1 row)
>
> As if these name and wikipedia tags belong to relation 1685716.
> Whereas they are actually properities of way 4171584
> (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1685716,
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4171584)

Because you're querying a rendering-database which is preprocessed in order to prduce good rendering
results ans -times. One of te preprocessing steps taken is, in the polygon-build phase, "if the relation
does not have any interesting tags, copy them from the outer way". This may be wrong or right in the sense of
how Relations are defined (there are different definitions for that, btw.), but it's just how our
impiorter handles it.

Refer to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon#Tagging for one of the definitions.

Peter

Re: [Toolserver-l] Regular Maintenance at 8. February

Hello all,

the dumping of commons on rosemary take longer than I thought it would and I 
have to go to bed now. So the replication of the commons-database on rosemary 
will be stoped until tomorrow (Thurday) afternoon/evening (I have an exam 
tomorrow) and the importing of the dump on z-dat-s4-a will be postponed too. 
If Nosy is arround tomorrow morning or noon, she can restart the replication 
too.
If you need just to READ commons, please use the -rr-version of our servers 
[1] and you will have no problems at all.
I am sorry that everything will take longer now, but I can't change it.

Sincerly,
DaB.

[1] https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Database_access

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Hello all,

the dumping of commons on rosemary take longer than I thought it would and I 
have to go to bed now. So the replication of the commons-database on rosemary 
will be stoped until tomorrow (Thurday) afternoon/evening (I have an exam 
tomorrow) and the importing of the dump on z-dat-s4-a will be postponed too. 
If Nosy is arround tomorrow morning or noon, she can restart the replication 
too.
If you need just to READ commons, please use the -rr-version of our servers 

Extraordinary hardware-maintenance 16 and 17 February

Hello all,

Nosy and I will visit the datacenter on short-term-base tomorrow and the day 
after, to install the remaining hardware and for some maintenance [1]; this 
will cause downtimes and rebootings between

Thursday: 15-24 o'clock UTC
Friday: 09-22 o'clock UTC.

For normal the reboots will be announced on the shell 5 minutes before they 
happen, but accidents may happen; so please do not open files and leave your 
computer. If you plan to do something that takes some time (like a long 
download), please to it at night-times. If possible, use SGE [2] (you should 
always do that).
We will try to be at IRC (at least from time to time), but we can not 
guarantee that. 

Sincerely,
DaB.

[1] https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Admin:Datacenter-Tasks
[2] https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/SGE

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Hello all,

Nosy and I will visit the datacenter on short-term-base tomorrow and the day 

Re: Maps-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4

<div>
<div>
<div>Dear all,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Thanks for your large efforts to allow GIS maps **display** into wikipedia's articles.</div>
<div>There is also an on going efforts to allow GIS maps **edition &amp; storage** &nbsp;for wikipedia's usage, and so for encyclopedic maps.&nbsp;</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>GIS EDITING advancement&nbsp;:</div>
<div>Sharemap.org took the initiative to create a GoogleMap-like for Wikipedia. A system (Sharemap.org) where wiki mapmakers can create, edit, store their encyclopedic maps.&nbsp;This in a centralized GIS way with standardized icons, designed for Wikipedia. Maps such the "Battle of Watterloo", "Birth rate in the US", "Japanese topography", etc will be possible. Translate a map will only involve the translation of the labels layers making translations easier (= more languages) compare to commons. The GIS maps will be downloadable in SVG/JPEG format too. This stage is already largely working.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>GIS EDITING need SUPPORT : for inclusion in wikipedia</div>
<div>
<div>Secondly, the project wish to allow inclusion of its maps within wikipedia articles. Your knowledge will be appreciate.&nbsp;Languages used being :</div>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote">
<div><div>
<div>1. ActionScript 3 with Flex framework for visual editor</div>
</div></div>
<div><div><div>2. Java for site management and map and content repository</div></div></div>
<div><div>
<div>3. JavaScript for SVG rendering code</div>
</div></div>
</blockquote>Jakub, the programmer, may tell you more if interested. (I'm a map maker).<br><div>
<div><br></div>
<div>GIS EDITING need SUPPORT :&nbsp;to connect to the WM foundation :&nbsp;</div>
<div>Sharemap.org is also looking for&nbsp;contacts, programmers, scholarships to solidify or actively support this project and associate it with the wikimedia foundation.&nbsp;</div>
<div>The project is opensource (CC-BY-SA 3.0), willfully a wikipedia friendly license.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Please, who is interested for more information ? Who may I contact for further collaboration with Wikipedia/Media ?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best wishes !</div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Hugo Lopez</div>
<div><br></div>
</div>
</div>

Re: Maps-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4

On 16/02/12 18:17, FR Lopez Hugo wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> Thanks for your large efforts to allow GIS maps **display** into
> wikipedia's articles.
> There is also an on going efforts to allow GIS maps **edition &
> storage**  for wikipedia's usage, and so for encyclopedic maps. 
> 
(...)
> GIS EDITING need SUPPORT : for inclusion in wikipedia
> Secondly, the project wish to allow inclusion of its maps within
> wikipedia articles. Your knowledge will be appreciate. Languages used
> being :
> 
>     1. *ActionScript 3* with Flex framework for visual editor
>     2. *Java* for site management and map and content repository
>     3. *JavaScript* for SVG rendering code
> 
> Jakub, the programmer, may tell you more if interested. (I'm a map maker).

You are requiring Flash and Java support?
You won't get much support for embedding that into Wikipedia (specially
Flash, does it at least work with eg. Gnash?).

Re: Maps-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4

W dniu 2/18/12 6:00 PM, Platonides pisze:
> You are requiring Flash and Java support?
> You won't get much support for embedding that into Wikipedia (specially
> Flash, does it at least work with eg. Gnash?).
Thanks Platonides, you asked very good question.

Wikipedia long standing policy was to use content only in open formats. 
Even if Flex framework is now fully open source (Apache) then Flash 
Runtime is still owned by Adobe.

But this is not an issue - ShareMap goal is not to integrate any Java or 
Flash content to wikipedia.

With ShareMap user can create interactive maps in SVG format. SVG file 
that is fully open format compatible with HTML5 and natively supported 
by all modern browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet 
Explorer). Animated SVG files are supported on both desktops and mobile 
devices (Smartphones, Tablets).

At current moment it is possible to add animated SVG maps to Wikimedia. 
But like all SVG files they are presented on article in rendered form as 
PNG without any interactivity. To view fully functional version user has 
to click once to go to Wiki Commons page and click again to view SVG in 
browser. It is not a surprise that almost nobody do that.

Rendering SVG to PNG made sense 5 years ago when browser does not 
supports natively SVG. But as I mentioned before today it is not longer 
problem <svg> tag allows direct embedding SVG content inside HTML web pages.

How author can currently add animation to article ... by adding animated 
GIF - terrible.

One word about ShareMap map designer - current editor is created with 
Flash 10 and Flex framework, ShareMap team does not think that it is 
feasible  to convert project to older version of flash (that can be run 
with Gnash) or to HTML5 app. About year ago same discussion about 
technology was performed within Open Street Map project - their web map 
editor Potlach was earlier designed in old Flash and it was possible to 
run it in Gnash. But the development was reached limits of old Flash and 
they decided to use use Flex inside Potlach 2. The dillemma was very 
simple - create map web editor that requires proprietary Adobe Flash 
Player or don't create anyone [1][2]. But editor is important for 500 
Wikipedia map creators not 5000000 map consumers.

In short summary about ShareMap technologies:
1. Map design is performed in Flash application
2. Map embedding as interactive SVG (or in future maybe HTML5 Canvas 
with WebGL 3D support).

What we need from Wikipedia Community:
1. Quick adaptation of direct SVG embedding inside Wikipedia (MediaWiki 
engine)
2. Help from volunteers in testing, evaluating and development.
3. Help with infrastructure, currently we are working on servers that we 
can you use for Creative Commons things, because we use them also for 
commercial project, but I think that in future it may be feasible to run 
special instance of ShareMap environment on Wikimedia infrastructure and 
dedicated for creation map for wikipedia.

Regards and waiting for further questions
J.K.

[1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2

Re: Maps-l Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4

This is a very, very cool project.

Thank you for sharing, Hugo and Jakub.

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:26 PM, ShareMap <contact@...> wrote:

> 2. Map embedding as interactive SVG (or in future maybe HTML5 Canvas with
> WebGL 3D support).

This is how you do it at sharemap.org now?
Do you have examples of different implementations of this?

> What we need from Wikipedia Community:
> 1. Quick adaptation of direct SVG embedding inside Wikipedia (MediaWiki
> engine)
> 2. Help from volunteers in testing, evaluating and development.
< 3. Help with infrastructure ... to run special instance of ShareMap
environment
> on Wikimedia infrastructure and dedicated for creation [of] map for wikipedia.

Can you set up a wiki page that describes in a bit mor detail what
each of these would involve?

1. What is still needed here?
2. Where can volunteers sign up?
3. What might the system requirements be?

You also mentioned wanting support for scholarships or internships for
people to help work on the project.
You can submit a specific proposal for this or for infrastructure, for
grant funding from the Wikimedia Foundation:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants

You may also be able to get support directly from local Wikimedia
chapters, though the process there is not as clear (just write to them
individually).  The largest chapter is Wikimedia Deutschland
(wikimedia.de), where there is a very active mapping community.

Sam.