H P Nadig | 4 Sep 08:27 2006
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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Change request for a protected template

On Sun, 2006-09-03 at 14:49 -0500, K.N. Manohar wrote:
> HPN,

> Can you please check this page and modify the template accordingly?
> Thanks.

The explanation on talk page is not clear. Put up a note with exact
code. Don't write in both English and Kannada. Either write in English
or write in Kannada to avoid ambiguity. 

Put a clear note on what the existing code is and what it needs to be
changed to and why we are supposed to change it. Put up a clear
separation between those two. 

> This template is used in lot of geography based templates and other
> templates.

> The template,   Template:!  needs some changes. 
> That template is protected and hence users cannot modify it.

The English counterpart of it is protected and marked *high risk
template*

and there's also a note that:

"Please try to avoid using this template unless absolutely necessary."

So try and avoid using it on "lot of geography based templates" unless
absolutely necessary. 

(Continue reading)

H P Nadig | 8 Sep 17:58 2006
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[Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] For the curious

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~edwardspec/cgi-bin/top100.cgi?uselang=kn

gives a list of popular pages and page visits. The counter has been
functional for last few days and might help immensely in knowing which
articles are being read the most.

Thanks to Sundar for the pointer. Thanks to the Russian Wikipedian
Edward Chernenko for the nice tool. Hope you guys would find it useful.

Cheers,

  - h.p.

--

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Fromm

HamsaVaniDasa | 11 Sep 23:48 2006
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[Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Wikiyalli samatOlana

Hello:

This email is regarding trying to create a balance in wikipedia pages and content. It is an off-shoot of the discussion on pages on kannada films being discussed in "araLi kaTTe". I do understand that wiki content related discussions must be carried out in the talkpages or the araLi kaTTe, and we can continue this discussion in the same. Sending this email, to mention about the same, as I did not find a better way to inform about this. Link Below:

http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%85%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B3%E0%B2%BF_%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%86#.E0.B2.B5.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.95.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.AF.E0.B2.B2.E0.B3.8D.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2.BF_.E0.B2.B8.E0.B2.AE.E0.B2.A4.E0.B3.8B.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2 .A8

Thanks,
HamsaVaniDasa



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H P Nadig | 12 Sep 21:07 2006
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[Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Where are we headed? (was) Re: Wikiyalli samatOlana

Well, I tried to create some noise about it, but due serious lack of
consensus among the handful members (less than finger count of them)
meant that my opinion would be shelved in next few days. 
I understand now that many members (who're comparatively new to wiki)
there hardly understood what I was trying to put across and just
commented to the already metamorphosed discussion. 

Some dumbos (I'm sorry I have to say this) never read what was written
on the discussion page, but just nodded their heads to whatever was
proposed to, dryly. 

Kannada Wikipedia is not a huge wiki. We're still growing and have just
1000+ legit articles. So, it is very important that we concentrate on
good and *quality* information that can keep getting back readers onto
the wiki (and lead them to contribute thereby). [1]

Stubs on wiki are welcome. But stubs of the same type being added in
*huge numbers* (by a single person, that too) - is a totally different
scenario. 

Let us not forget that wiki isn't a movie database. Stubs like the film
stubs with just an infobox and a single sentence (hard coded into the
infobox template), in my opinion, are like weeds. 60% of the kn Wiki is
now filled with that. The implications of it, as I see from here, are
*disastrous*. Weeds do not let other plants grow and often gobble up the
whole lake if not checked. Are we supposed to let that happen on Kannada
Wikipedia or not, we'll have to decide. 

Some points there:

1) The film stubs are being created by just *one person* and are just
about *Kannada movies*.

2) The infobox used there uses the generic name but is tailor made for
only Kannada films. (We'll have to think beyond Kannada films and make
room for articles on other Indian films, foreign films as well). [2]

3) The film articles being created just have an infobox and a hardcoded
sentence that has very less prospect of getting expanded in near future.
The reason for it being - not many people have heard or watched complete
database of Kannada movies. Popular movies - yes. Historical movies -
yes. Artistic movies - yes. But I can say it with complete surety that
most of the stubs that have been created would go un-expanded for ages
to come. 
Much of the contributor folks might even face the initial difficulty of
finding the single line of the single liner itself! (since single line
is hard-coded into the template)

Since such stubs are being created by just one person, keeping a check
on it would not be difficult. But consensus *is* required. 

Let me make it clear that I don't have any hatred for film related
articles (having contributed many foreign/Indian film articles myself) -
but just interested in keeping the project in its full color to enable
the best possible expansion of the project. (By expansion I mean 'in
terms of quality' and not by numbers).

But writing stubs like the bots do isn't good for Kannada Wikipedia.
What is happening currently is like a feed of data being spammed onto kn
wiki from a database of Kannada movies. Kannada fanaticism apart, I see
very less reason why we should have thousands of movie single liners
before we even have the basic set of articles that a encyclopedia
project should have!

[1] - Let us adapt to writing information that is not available in
Kannada language yet (Articles like Mozart, History of Europe, Geography
of Africa or even detailed articles about Baseball would be great lot of
interesting information).

[2] - Some of us had collaborated on many movie articles before. We had
taken care that the articles would never remain virtually locked in
anyway for expansion.  

P.S: Forcing postfix on the titles of film stubs thus created was a
conscious proposal that had an insight into the above issue and tried to
the solve the above problem and the problem escalated by the sudden
influx of one-liner film stubs. I'll put that to discussion on some
other thread. 

On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 14:48 -0700, HamsaVaniDasa wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> This email is regarding trying to create a balance in wikipedia pages
> and content. It is an off-shoot of the discussion on pages on kannada
> films being discussed in "araLi kaTTe". I do understand that wiki
> content related discussions must be carried out in the talkpages or
> the araLi kaTTe, and we can continue this discussion in the same.
> Sending this email, to mention about the same, as I did not find a
> better way to inform about this. Link Below:
> 
> http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%
> B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%85%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B3%
> E0%B2%BF_%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%
> 86#.E0.B2.B5.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.95.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.AF.E0.B2.B2.E0.B3.8D.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2.BF_.E0.B2.B8.E0.B2.AE.E0.B2.A4.E0.B3.8B.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2.A8
> 
> Thanks,
> HamsaVaniDasa
--

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Fromm

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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] Where are we headed? (was) Re: Wikiyalli samatOlana

thank u
 
 


H P Nadig <hpnadig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Well, I tried to create some noise about it, but due serious lack of
consensus among the handful members (less than finger count of them)
meant that my opinion would be shelved in next few days.
I understand now that many members (who're comparatively new to wiki)
there hardly understood what I was trying to put across and just
commented to the already metamorphosed discussion.

Some dumbos (I'm sorry I have to say this) never read what was written
on the discussion page, but just nodded their heads to whatever was
proposed to, d ryly.

Kannada Wikipedia is not a huge wiki. We're still growing and have just
1000+ legit articles. So, it is very important that we concentrate on
good and *quality* information that can keep getting back readers onto
the wiki (and lead them to contribute thereby). [1]

Stubs on wiki are welcome. But stubs of the same type being added in
*huge numbers* (by a single person, that too) - is a totally different
scenario.

Let us not forget that wiki isn't a movie database. Stubs like the film
stubs with just an infobox and a single sentence (hard coded into the
infobox template), in my opinion, are like weeds. 60% of the kn Wiki is
now filled with that. The implications of it, as I see from here, are
*disastrous*. Weeds do not let other plants grow and often gobble up the
whole lake if not checked. Are we supposed to let that happen on Kannada
Wikipedia or not, we'll have to decide.

Some points there:

1) The film stubs are being created by just *one person* and are just
about *Kannada movies*.

2) The infobox used there uses the generic name but is tailor made for
only Kannada films. (We'll have to think beyond Kannada films and make
room for articles on other Indian films, foreign films as well). [2]

3) The film articles being created just have an infobox and a hardcoded
sentence that has very less prospect of getting expanded in near future.
The reason for it being - not many people have heard or watched complete
database of Kannada movies. Popular movies - yes. Historical movies -
yes. Artistic movies - yes. But I can say it with complete surety that
most of the stubs that have been created would go un-expanded for ages
to come.
Much of the contributor folks might even face the initial difficulty of
finding the single line of the single liner itself! (since single line
is hard-coded into the template)

Sinc e such stubs are being created by just one person, keeping a check
on it would not be difficult. But consensus *is* required.

Let me make it clear that I don't have any hatred for film related
articles (having contributed many foreign/Indian film articles myself) -
but just interested in keeping the project in its full color to enable
the best possible expansion of the project. (By expansion I mean 'in
terms of quality' and not by numbers).

But writing stubs like the bots do isn't good for Kannada Wikipedia.
What is happening currently is like a feed of data being spammed onto kn
wiki from a database of Kannada movies. Kannada fanaticism apart, I see
very less reason why we should have thousands of movie single liners
before we even have the basic set of articles that a encyclopedia
project should have!




[1] - Let us adapt to writing information that is not available in
Kannada language yet (Articles like M ozart, History of Europe, Geography
of Africa or even detailed articles about Baseball would be great lot of
interesting information).

[2] - Some of us had collaborated on many movie articles before. We had
taken care that the articles would never remain virtually locked in
anyway for expansion.

P.S: Forcing postfix on the titles of film stubs thus created was a
conscious proposal that had an insight into the above issue and tried to
the solve the above problem and the problem escalated by the sudden
influx of one-liner film stubs. I'll put that to discussion on some
other thread.


On Mon, 2006-09-11 at 14:48 -0700, HamsaVaniDasa wrote:
> Hello:
>
> This email is regarding trying to create a balance in wikipedia pages
> and content. It is an off-shoot of the discussion on pages on kannada
> films being discussed in "araLi kaTTe". I do understand that wiki
> content related discussions must be carried out in the talkpages or
> the araLi kaTTe, and we can continue this discussion in the same.
> Sending this email, to mention about the same, as I did not find a
> better way to inform about this. Link Below:
>
> http://kn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B2%B5%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%BF%E0%
> B2%AA%E0%B3%80%E0%B2%A1%E0%B2%BF%E0%B2%AF:%E0%B2%85%E0%B2%B0%E0%B2%B3%
> E0%B2%BF_%E0%B2%95%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%8D%E0%B2%9F%E0%B3%
> 86#.E0.B2.B5.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.95.E0.B2.BF.E0.B2.AF.E0.B2.B2.E0.B3.8D.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2.BF_.E0.B2.B8.E0.B2.AE.E0.B2.A4.E0.B3.8B.E0.B2.B2.E0.B2.A8
>
> Thanks,
> HamsaVaniDasa
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H P Nadig | 13 Sep 12:06 2006
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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

Dear Joshi,

   I couldn't think of any answer to your email, so I'm forwarding it to
Kannada Wikipedia List. My friends here might be able to explain you
better.

Over to the subscribers of the mailing list. 

Cheers,

(P.S: retain the CCed id as you reply, folks)

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 02:29 -0700, kvj2007@... wrote:
> namaste
> i want to get kannadaviswakosha.what is the procezer.
> I am residing at the following adress,
> Krishna V Joshi 
> Bhamati Bldg,
> Bendremarg sadhanakeri.
> Dharwad-580008
> Karnataka.
> 
> Waiting for ur responce.
> Thanking u
> 
> -- The above message was sent using the feedback page --
> Full Name       : kirshna joshi
> Browser info    : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
--

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Narasimha Datta | 14 Sep 07:15 2006
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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

Hi,
 
Mysore University had published an encyclopedia called Jnaanagangotri in seven volumes about a couple of decades back. I am not aware if it is still being sold.
 
Regards,
Narasimha
 
On 9/13/06, H P Nadig <hpnadig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Joshi,

  I couldn't think of any answer to your email, so I'm forwarding it to
Kannada Wikipedia List. My friends here might be able to explain you
better.

Over to the subscribers of the mailing list.

Cheers,

(P.S: retain the CCed id as you reply, folks)

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 02:29 -0700, kvj2007-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> namaste
> i want to get kannadaviswakosha.what is the procezer.
> I am residing at the following adress,
> Krishna V Joshi
> Bhamati Bldg,
> Bendremarg sadhanakeri.
> Dharwad-580008
> Karnataka.
>
> Waiting for ur responce.
> Thanking u
>
> -- The above message was sent using the feedback page --
> Full Name       : kirshna joshi
> Browser info    : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
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Lakshmana Kodase | 14 Sep 07:41 2006
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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

Jnanagangotri was not from Mysore University. It was from Bangalore. Noted writer Niranjana (hubby of Anupama Niranjana ) was Editor to that encyclopedia in Kannada. But Mysore University brought out some subject encyclopedias based on the Subjects in the name of Vishaya Vishwakosha.

- Lakshmana Kodase

 

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From: wikikn-l-bounces-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org [mailto:wikikn-l-bounces-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Narasimha Datta
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

 

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Hi,

 

Mysore University had published an encyclopedia called Jnaanagangotri in seven volumes about a couple of decades back. I am not aware if it is still being sold.

 

Regards,

Narasimha
 

On 9/13/06, H P Nadig <hpnadig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Dear Joshi,

  I couldn't think of any answer to your email, so I'm forwarding it to
Kannada Wikipedia List. My friends here might be able to explain you
better.

Over to the subscribers of the mailing list.

Cheers,

(P.S: retain the CCed id as you reply, folks)

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 02:29 -0700, kvj2007-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> namaste
> i want to get kannadaviswakosha.what is the procezer.
> I am residing at the following adress,
> Krishna V Joshi
> Bhamati Bldg,
> Bendremarg sadhanakeri.
> Dharwad-580008
> Karnataka.
>
> Waiting for ur responce.
> Thanking u
>
> -- The above message was sent using the feedback page --
> Full Name       : kirshna joshi
> Browser info    : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
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Ashwatha Matthur | 14 Sep 07:46 2006
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Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

Hi,

Jnana Gangotri is actually out of print now. It was published in 1972, but never got reprinted. However, the Kannada Vishwakosha series from Mysore University (12 Vol.s) is still in print. I assume that it would be available from the Mysore University Prasaranga. This series is prepared and published by the Kannada Adhyayana Samsthe at Mysore University. Try writing to them (or calling them) at this address:

Kannada Adhyayana Samsthe (Institute of Kannada Studies)
Manasa Gangotri, Mysore - 570 006.
Phone: 222549

--Ashwatha.



Hi,
 
Mysore University had published an encyclopedia called Jnaanagangotri in seven volumes about a couple of decades back. I am not aware if it is still being sold.
 
Regards,
Narasimha
 
On 9/13/06, H P Nadig <hpnadig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Dear Joshi,

  I couldn't think of any answer to your email, so I'm forwarding it to
Kannada Wikipedia List. My friends here might be able to explain you
better.

Over to the subscribers of the mailing list.

Cheers,

(P.S: retain the CCed id as you reply, folks)

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 02:29 -0700, kvj2007-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> namaste
> i want to get kannadaviswakosha.what is the procezer.
> I am residing at the following adress,
> Krishna V Joshi
> Bhamati Bldg,
> Bendremarg sadhanakeri.
> Dharwad-580008
> Karnataka.
>
> Waiting for ur responce.
> Thanking u
>
> -- The above message was sent using the feedback page --
> Full Name       : kirshna joshi
> Browser info    : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
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Pavanaja U B | 14 Sep 08:34 2006

Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

All volumes of Kannada Vishwa Kosha from Mysore Univ is not available in market. Last volume was printed one or two years ago while the first volume was printed almost twenty years ago. Those who paid Rs.350 and booked the complete set (20 years ago!) got the full set now.

 

Recently, the complete set was made into CDs. I don’t know their quality or where they are available, etc.

 

Jnanagangothri (Ed. Niranaja, 7 volumes, ~1975) is out of print long ago. It does not make sense to reprint it now as so many things have changed.

 

There is another encyclopedia in 4 volumes by Shivarama Karanth, made about 40-50 years ago. He was against reprinting them as things have changed a lot. But recently they have been reprinted were available in the shops. I have not seen them recently.

 

sigONa,

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From: wikikn-l-bounces-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org [mailto:wikikn-l-bounces-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA@public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Ashwatha Matthur
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 11:17 AM
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Cc: kvj2007-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Wikikn-l (kannada wikipedia)] [hpnadig.net] getting

 

Hi,

Jnana Gangotri is actually out of print now. It was published in 1972, but never got reprinted. However, the Kannada Vishwakosha series from MysoreUniversity (12 Vol.s) is still in print. I assume that it would be available from the Mysore University Prasaranga. This series is prepared and published by the Kannada Adhyayana Samsthe at MysoreUniversity. Try writing to them (or calling them) at this address:

Kannada Adhyayana Samsthe (Institute of Kannada Studies)
Manasa Gangotri, Mysore - 570 006.
Phone: 222549

--Ashwatha.


Hi,

 

MysoreUniversity had published an encyclopedia called Jnaanagangotri in seven volumes about a couple of decades back. I am not aware if it is still being sold.

 

Regards,

Narasimha
 

On 9/13/06, H P Nadig <hpnadig-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Dear Joshi,

  I couldn't think of any answer to your email, so I'm forwarding it to
Kannada Wikipedia List. My friends here might be able to explain you
better.

Over to the subscribers of the mailing list.

Cheers,

(P.S: retain the CCed id as you reply, folks)

On Wed, 2006-09-13 at 02:29 -0700, kvj2007-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org wrote:
> namaste
> i want to get kannadaviswakosha.what is the procezer.
> I am residing at the following adress,
> Krishna V Joshi
> Bhamati Bldg,
> Bendremarg sadhanakeri.
> Dharwad-580008
> Karnataka.
>
> Waiting for ur responce.
> Thanking u
>
> -- The above message was sent using the feedback page --
> Full Name       : kirshna joshi
> Browser info    : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)
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