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Giskart | 1 Nov 2002 12:32
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] urgent -> please change the maillist settings

COL.NELSON MAKUNO wrote:
> Dear Friend,
> It is my pleasure to request your assistance on this business proposition
> which if pursued to its conclusion ,will be of immense benefit to both of
> us. This request may seem strange but I will crave your indulgence and pray
> that you view it seriously. My name is COL.NELSON MAKUNO of the Democratic
> Republic of Congo I am one of close aids to the former president of Congo
> Democratic LAURENT KABILA of blessed memory, may his soul rest in peace.

[cut junk]

Sombody, please change the maillist settings to members only !
And viewing the subscribers list also to members only.

Giskart
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Jimmy Wales | 1 Nov 2002 14:47

Re: [Intlwiki-l] one for the portal, one for the redirect

elian wrote:
> Just a crazy idea, but there seem to be two addresses: 
> www.wikipedia.org and www.wikipedia.com
> 
> How about one for the portal and one for the redirect?
> 
> elian, waiting for the answer "this won't work, because..." 

We're trying to de-emphasize the .com substantially.  It was giving
the people the impression that this was all a big scam to make money,
or some such.

--Jimbo
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Giskart | 1 Nov 2002 15:25
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] one for the portal, one for the redirect

Jimmy Wales wrote:
> elian wrote:
> 
>>Just a crazy idea, but there seem to be two addresses: 
>>www.wikipedia.org and www.wikipedia.com
>>
>>How about one for the portal and one for the redirect?
>>
>>elian, waiting for the answer "this won't work, because..." 
> 
> 
> We're trying to de-emphasize the .com substantially.  It was giving
> the people the impression that this was all a big scam to make money,
> or some such.
> 
> --Jimbo

There is also wikipedia.net and wikipedia.info to play whit.
But i think it is confusing for users to use to many different domains.

Giskart
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Magnus Manske | 1 Nov 2002 15:38
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] one for the portal, one for the redirect

Giskart wrote:

> There is also wikipedia.net and wikipedia.info to play whit.
> But i think it is confusing for users to use to many different domains.

How about this:
* wikipedia.com redirects to wikipedia.org (like now)
* wikipedia.org becomes the home of the to-be foundation (=organization)
* wikipedia.net is a list of all wikipedias, with inter-language search 
and the like
* wikipedia.info redirects to en.wikipedia.org, crediting both the 
largest wikipedia and the one that most likely to be queried

We should ask for a "pedia" TLD, while we're at it ;-)

Magnus
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Giskart | 1 Nov 2002 18:45
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] one for the portal, one for the redirect

Magnus Manske wrote:
> How about this:
> * wikipedia.com redirects to wikipedia.org (like now)

no problem

> * wikipedia.org becomes the home of the to-be foundation (=organization)

The non-existing foundation is not important, the encyclopedia is 
important. The foundation is like the [[wikipedia:pages]], internal 
organization. The foundation can use org.wikipedia.org

> * wikipedia.net is a list of all wikipedias, with inter-language search 
> and the like

What is done whit wikipedia.net is not important. If there is intrest it 
can be a redirect for .net   What is important to get a non-redirect 
portal on www.wikipedia.org. So there is one neutral face for a 
Wikipedias and one URL.

> * wikipedia.info redirects to en.wikipedia.org, crediting both the 
> largest wikipedia and the one that most likely to be queried

If that makes you happy. .info is not important  You can also buy 
wikipedia.co.uk and wikipedia.us and point that to en.wikipedia.org

> We should ask for a "pedia" TLD, while we're at it ;-)

wikipedia.edu and wikipedia.int would also be nice
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Anthere | 2 Nov 2002 03:07
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[Intlwiki-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Cross-language image?

--- Brion VIBBER <brion@...> wrote:
> Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > How do I do a cross-language image? I just
> translated the [[Rosetta Stone]] 
> > article into French and made an [[en:Image:]]
> link, which ended up at the top 
> > of the page next to the link to the English
> article looking odd.
> 
> Currently, there are only two ways to do this, both
> ugly:
> 
> 1) Use the direct URL for the image file. (No link
> to image description 
> page, won't be shown in the links list.)
> 
> 2) Upload a copy of the image on the other
> language's wiki.
> 
> -- brion vibber (brion  <at>  pobox.com)

Hi Brion,

currently, within the text, we can use some
[[w.nameofarticle]] which send us to the en.wiki; and
some [[m:nameofpage]] which send us to the meta.wiki.

What options could be available to make similar links
within pages to link international wikis ? And how to
differenciate them from the links to other languages
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Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz | 2 Nov 2002 15:34
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[Intlwiki-l] Non-English Wikipedias

Hi all,

Cunctator moved 'Wikipedia:Non-English Wikipedias' to 'Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination'.

One might think that there are no Wikipedias in other languages anymore.
Are we destinied to be just a division of Wikipedia for Multilingual
coordination ?

It seems to be rather unfair to people involved in Wikipedias in other
languages.

1. some contributors of Wikipedias in other languages have put a lot of
   effort and passion into creating "their" Wikipedias. They may or may not
   care much about the English WP
2. Non-English Wikipedias have only recently been given more attention by
   Wikipedia community at large which is dominated by English speaking
   crowd
3. we always wanted help and coordination but we felt put aside a little

I suppose there is a general consensus in non-English Wikipedias about the current policies and plans
towards ONE Wikipedia in different languages but
I don't think we can agree to "the smaller have to subdue" rule.

Regards,
Kpjas
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Anthere | 2 Nov 2002 17:31
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[Intlwiki-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Non-English Wikipedias

I think you are misunderstanding the purpose of that
change Kpjas

First notice what the top of that page is saying in
terms of description

"We use Intlwiki-L, to coordinate Wikipedia across
different languages.  Please take a look at the
Wikipedia Embassy and join if you're interested in the
future of these projects"

It is about *coordination*, not so much stating the
*existence of other languages*, fact that is already
stated otherwise.

Second : that change should not be a surprise. A
couple of days ago, tc wrote in the talk page  

"I'd like to redirect this page to
Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination. I think that
better expresses the intent of this page, and doesn't
carry any nationalistic baggage. It's also an active
name--describes an ongoing process, rather than a
fuzzy entity of unclear definition."

I don't think I saw any no-wait answer to his comment,
but only support from Mav.

I think using the word "international wikipedias" is
not a good idea, because
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The Cunctator | 2 Nov 2002 17:32
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[Intlwiki-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Non-English Wikipedias

On 11/2/02 9:34 AM, "Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz" <kpj@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Cunctator moved 'Wikipedia:Non-English Wikipedias' to 'Wikipedia:Multilingual
> coordination'.

Actually, I moved 'Wikipedia:International Wikipedia' to
'Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination'.

I renamed the "Non-English Wikipedias" link on the Main Page (which pointed
to Wikipedia:International Wikipedia through a redirect) to "Coordination
between languages".

> One might think that there are no Wikipedias in other languages anymore.

I hope not. This is to put every language on a level playing field.

> Are we destinied to be just a division of Wikipedia for Multilingual
> coordination ?
>
> It seems to be rather unfair to people involved in Wikipedias in other
> languages.
>
> 1. some contributors of Wikipedias in other languages have put a lot of
>  effort and passion into creating "their" Wikipedias. They may or may not
>  care much about the English WP
> 2. Non-English Wikipedias have only recently been given more attention by
>  Wikipedia community at large which is dominated by English speaking
>  crowd
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Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz | 2 Nov 2002 19:02
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[Intlwiki-l] Dedicated editor for Wikipedia

Hello all,

Please read about this idea and comment on Talk page.

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedicated_Wikipedia_editor

Regards,
Kpjas.
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