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Stephen Gilbert | 1 Oct 2002 02:53
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Spanish Wikipedia

--- Daniel Mayer <maveric149@...> wrote:
> Which project are we going have our interlanguage
> links point to?
> AstroNomer has already finished translating
> language-ES.php and wants the 
> developers to install the new Phase III software for
> the Spanish Wikipedia on 
> the Wikipedia server. 

<snip>

> However, my gut feeling tells me that we should at
> least try to work with EL 
> and then if that doesn't work our fallback plan
> would be to upgrade the 
> Spanish Wikipedia and put all of our support behind
> them. However, if we do 
> go this route and EL upgrades and we point our
> interlanguage links there, 
> then what about all the work that is going on right
> now at the Spanish 
> Wikipedia?

I think we should upgrade es.wikipedia.com if that's
what the contributors there want. However, I'm very
reluctant to either throw all our effort into the EL
or es.wikipedia. Either option alienates the left-out
party. I still have hopes of an "unforking" like we
had with the Polish Wikipedia.
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Stephen Gilbert | 1 Oct 2002 03:01
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Spanish Wikipedia

--- Jimmy Wales <jwales@...> wrote:
> > This of course would be a slap in the face of the
> Encyclopedia Libre folks - 
> > many of whom want more cooperation with Wikipedia.
> But there is a very vocal 
> > few who hate Wikipedia. 
> 
> I don't see how it is a slap in the face to them. 
> They have broken
> away, and we are doing nothing to hinder them.  If
> the group who hate
> us wants to continue separately, they can do so. 
> It's a free world.
> (Well, part of it anyway!)

This is true. However, linking to their articles would
be a show of good faith on our part.

> One of the main reasons we should stay together on a
> single
> server/software/organizational platform is precisely
> to ease
> interlanguage linking.

I'm not so concerned about projects staying on the
same server. It's probably easier for them *and* you
if some of the other language Wikipedias are under the
control of the project contributors. What I would like
is for the EL to use the Wikipedia name again, and for
us to re-integrate the two Spanish projects.
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Stephen Gilbert | 1 Oct 2002 03:39
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] imagelinking policies

--- Dan Koehl <dan.koehl@...> wrote:
> Hallo, I just joined the project and will try to
> help upgrading the Swedish
> Wiki.
> I have a policy question regarding images and
> uploads. If there is a nic
> picture with Charlemange on the English server, am I
> supposed to make a link
> from the page on the swedish server to this image,
> or upload the image
> itself on the swedish server?

Welcome to Wikipedia! At the moment, the Sweedish
Wikipedia has no upload function, so you should link
to the image on the English Wikipedia. Also, if you
have other images you want to use, you can upload them
using the English uploader.

Stephen Gilbert

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wojtek pobratyn | 1 Oct 2002 08:41
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] What to see or visit in Central Europe

hi Lars, hi Chuck

If you'd like an expert tour of Warsaw (or any other
part of Poland) when visiting Central Europe let me know;-)

regards,
WojPob

At 03:30 28.09.2002, you wrote:
>On November 6-8, I will attend a conference on Electronic Publishing
>in Karlovy Vary (Karlsbad), western Czechia, where I will present a
>paper on my one year experience of running a large scale wiki.  I'm
>now planning my trip.
>
>Is there anybody that I should visit in western Czechia, Poland, or
>Northern/Eastern Germany?  I might drive my own car, or go by train.
>
>The conference, http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02/
>My abstract, http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/elpub02/abstracts/G_04.htm
>
>
>--
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Jimmy Wales | 1 Oct 2002 12:46

Re: [Intlwiki-l] Spanish Wikipedia

Stephen Gilbert wrote:
> Perhaps we can have our inter-lang links point to two
> Spanish versions temporarily? It may be a little
> annoying in the short run, but I think the situation
> calls for some diplomancy.

I'm all for diplomacy.  Wikipedia is about love, not about fighting.
Love for knowledge, love for open access to knowledge, love for
voluntary efforts to improve the world.

--Jimbo
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Stephen Gilbert | 1 Oct 2002 16:23
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[Intlwiki-l] Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia

--- Jimmy Wales <jwales@...> wrote:
> Stephen Gilbert wrote:
> > A world-wide community doesn't have to use the
> same
> > server. Part of the tension we've had with the
> other
> > language projects is that they feel the people
> running
> > the server haven't been responsive to them. If the
> > contributors have control over their server, this
> > problem is eliminated.
> 
> Well, I think that happened back when I was a major
> bottleneck at the
> server level.  Currently, we have several people who
> can do stuff on
> the server, which reduces the bottleneck
> considerably.

It wasn't meant as a personal dig. I simply mean that
the people who are most enthusiastic about any given
language project are the people who speak that
language. English speakers are more likely to think of
the English Wikipedia (which is also the parent
project, and the largest) as the most important. Thus,
the English Wikipedia will always have the most
up-to-date software, etc. If the Spanish contributors
have control of their own server, they can perform
their own upgrades without having to go through people
who are not active participants in their sub-project.
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Stephen Gilbert | 1 Oct 2002 16:37
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Spanish Wikipedia

--- Jimmy Wales <jwales@...> wrote:
> Stephen Gilbert wrote:
> > Perhaps we can have our inter-lang links point to
> two
> > Spanish versions temporarily? It may be a little
> > annoying in the short run, but I think the
> situation
> > calls for some diplomancy.
> 
> I'm all for diplomacy.  Wikipedia is about love, not
> about fighting.
> Love for knowledge, love for open access to
> knowledge, love for
> voluntary efforts to improve the world.

Everybody now: "All you need is love. All you need is
love..."

I think we should certainly have interlang links
pointing at es.wikipedia.com. It is the official
Wikipedia Spanish project, with a small but active
community. We shouldn't disown them under any
circumstances.

At the same time, I think having links to the EL is a
good idea. As mav pointed out, we're certainly under
no obligation to do so, as they've disassociated
themselves from Wikipedia. However, to bring fighting
people together, one side must do more than what is
required of it. I think we should be that side.
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Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz | 1 Oct 2002 16:59
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[Intlwiki-l] Wikipedias

Hello all,

The English Wikipedia project is still relatively young and most
other lanaguage Wikipedias are in their infancy.
I am not sure if this question has ever arisen on any of Wikipedia
discussion forums :

Is Wikipedia (the big thing) regarded a confederation of Wikipedias or
one body ?

What are pros and cons ? What is being done to foster 
cooperation (or integration) of Wikipedias ?
How much do the English-speaking Wikipedians from the English Wikipedia
care about other Wikipedias ?

1. Interwiki links
2. translations
3. ???

Is this at all an important issue ? If not, skip it and forgive me
wasting your time.

Regards,
Kpjas
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Daniel Mayer | 1 Oct 2002 22:08
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[Intlwiki-l] Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia

On Tuesday 01 October 2002 06:59 am, Vicki  wrote:
> I wonder if "Huiquipedia" would be more familiar and comfortable to native
> speakers of Spanish.

I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but I think you are on the right track. 

Now that Wikipedia is at .org instead of .com, at least one vocal EL 
contributor doesn't like the fact that the English Wikipedia is at 
www.wikipedia.org and the other languages are at xx.wikipedia.org/.com. This 
person seems to take this URL organization literally and thinks this means 
that the non-English wikipedias are somehow subservient to the English one. 
Which is reading /way/ too much in a simple URL.

I'm already on record stating that each wikipedia language community should 
eventually be at their own domain which is their language's transliteration 
of the word "Wikipedia".

But if this issue turns out to be an intractable one, I vote for moving the 
English Wikipedia to en.wikipedia.org -- such a trivial thing is not worth 
arguing much about. Then all www.wikipedia.org would be is just a gateway to 
the various projects (I still think this is a waste of a URL but I am willing 
to acquiesce).

-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Anthere | 1 Oct 2002 22:07
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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Wikipedias

--- "Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz" <kpj@...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> The English Wikipedia project is still relatively
> young and most
> other lanaguage Wikipedias are in their infancy.
> I am not sure if this question has ever arisen on
> any of Wikipedia
> discussion forums :
> 
> Is Wikipedia (the big thing) regarded a
> confederation of Wikipedias or
> one body ?
> 
> What are pros and cons ? What is being done to
> foster 
> cooperation (or integration) of Wikipedias ?
> How much do the English-speaking Wikipedians from
> the English Wikipedia
> care about other Wikipedias ?
> 
> 1. Interwiki links
> 2. translations
> 3. ???
> 
> Is this at all an important issue ? If not, skip it
> and forgive me
> wasting your time.
> 
> Regards,
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