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stevertigo | 1 Sep 2010 03:38
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Re: New tool: Write before you revert

WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm prett suspect that the vast majority of reverts on EN wiki are
> reversion of vandalism by hugglers and other patrollers at newpage
> patrol. I don't think it would be a good idea to discourage those who
> do that accurately. Giving feedback to those with an excessive error
> rate is useful - but not what you are proposing.

The concept is that reverts by people who don't participate in
discussion are typically misinformed or adversarial at best. If you
don't participate in discussion, there's no need for your help on the
article.

-SC

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James Alexander | 1 Sep 2010 07:20
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Re: New tool: Write before you revert

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 9:38 PM, stevertigo <stvrtg <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> WereSpielChequers <werespielchequers <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm prett suspect that the vast majority of reverts on EN wiki are
> > reversion of vandalism by hugglers and other patrollers at newpage
> > patrol. I don't think it would be a good idea to discourage those who
> > do that accurately. Giving feedback to those with an excessive error
> > rate is useful - but not what you are proposing.
>
> The concept is that reverts by people who don't participate in
> discussion are typically misinformed or adversarial at best. If you
> don't participate in discussion, there's no need for your help on the
> article.
>
> -SC
>
>
> While I would tend to agree with that thought for most content issues I
would say that requiring people to be active in a discussion on a page
before then can revert vandalism/attacks etc would be detrimental to the
page and the project.

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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen | 1 Sep 2010 07:50
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Re: "Wikipedia committee member"

Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
> On 31 August 2010 16:51, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   

>> How do you objectively and neutrally determine what is and isn't a spoiler?
>>
>>     
>
> You don't.
> Just like you can't objectively and neutrally determine if someone is fit to
> be an administrator, or if a picture is really "beautiful, stunning,
> impressive, or informative" enough to be featured.
>
> It's a call you make. You do something you believe will get a consensus.
> Most of the time there won't be much discussion: "Crowe was dead himself the
> whole time" and "Tyler Durden is the narrator's alter ego" probably could
> have a spoiler warning; "The Titanic sinks" and "Jesus dies on the cross but
> not really" probably don't need one. If you do get discussion, there's
> oodles of mechanisms to resolve things.
>
>   

A likely edge case would be "'Rosebud' is the name of the
childhood sled of Kane."

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Ian Woollard | 1 Sep 2010 08:25
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Re: New tool: Write before you revert

On 01/09/2010, stevertigo <stvrtg <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> The concept is that reverts by people who don't participate in
> discussion are typically misinformed or adversarial at best. If you
> don't participate in discussion, there's no need for your help on the
> article.

Even if that's typical, inevitably it's sometimes going to be done by
someone who knows exactly what they're doing, and the original editor
may have genuinely missed something obvious.

Expecting them to jump through arbitrary hoops doesn't seem very wiki-friendly.

> -SC

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Until It Sleeps | 1 Sep 2010 20:28
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Re: WikiEN-l Digest, Vol 86, Issue 2

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> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:25:28 +0100
> From: Ian Woollard<ian.woollard <at> gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] New tool: Write before you revert
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> On 01/09/2010, stevertigo<stvrtg <at> gmail.com>  wrote:
>> The concept is that reverts by people who don't participate in
>> discussion are typically misinformed or adversarial at best. If you
>> don't participate in discussion, there's no need for your help on the
>> article.
> Even if that's typical, inevitably it's sometimes going to be done by
> someone who knows exactly what they're doing, and the original editor
> may have genuinely missed something obvious.
>
> Expecting them to jump through arbitrary hoops doesn't seem very wiki-friendly.
>
>> -SC
> Agreed, an idea like that is absurd at best. You shouldn't be forced to participate in a discussion to
revert a vandal who decided to fill the article with obscenities or put an unsourced defamatory statement
such as "[Insert BLP subject here] is a shithead who should be killed."

-The Thing That Should Not Be

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David Gerard | 4 Sep 2010 18:24
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Ban Wikipedia!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-wikipedia/

Goal: 1,000,000 signatures.

So far: 8 signatures.

- d.

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Newyorkbrad | 4 Sep 2010 18:38
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Re: Ban Wikipedia!

Well, publicizing them will certainly help us, I don't think.

Newyorkbrad

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-wikipedia/
>
> Goal: 1,000,000 signatures.
>
> So far: 8 signatures.
>
>
> - d.
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David Gerard | 4 Sep 2010 18:46
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Re: Ban Wikipedia!

On 4 September 2010 17:38, Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, publicizing them will certainly help us, I don't think.

If the prospect of this is a serious fear for you, then your world is
rather more frightening than the one anyone else lives in.

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Tony Sidaway | 4 Sep 2010 18:50
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Re: Ban Wikipedia!

On 4 September 2010 17:46, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On 4 September 2010 17:38, Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, publicizing them will certainly help us, I don't think.
>
>
> If the prospect of this is a serious fear for you, then your world is
> rather more frightening than the one anyone else lives in.

Let's see if we can make it trend.

http://twitter.com/TonySidaway/status/22989411339

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geni | 4 Sep 2010 18:57
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Re: Ban Wikipedia!

On 4 September 2010 17:24, David Gerard <dgerard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-wikipedia/
>
> Goal: 1,000,000 signatures.
>
> So far: 8 signatures.
>
>
> - d.

I can think of more effective ways of gathering intell in those who
practice ungoodthink/crimethink.

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