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Apoc 2400 | 3 Jan 2010 00:23
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The story of an article

Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up to
four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to
create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days old
and have made 10 edits.

> When introducing non-Wikipedians to the concept of Wikipedia, I've found
> many people want to know: *how does an article develop?*
>
> I just composed an overview of the development of a GA article I worked
> on with several others over several years:
>
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_an_article_(Celilo_Falls)
>
> And also, started a page on the Outreach wiki to link to such stories. I
> linked to several time lapse YouTube videos I've seen that do more or
> less the same.
>
> http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_an_article
>
> Does anybody else have an article they'd like to explore in this way? Or
> feedback on the Celilo Falls overview?
>
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altally | 3 Jan 2010 00:25

Re: The story of an article

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up
> to
> four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to
> create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days
> old
> and have made 10 edits.
>

Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is it?

--Majorly
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David Gerard | 3 Jan 2010 00:41
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Re: The story of an article

2010/1/2 altally <altallym <at> googlemail.com>:

> Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is it?

It cuts off huge amounts of easy participation way too early.

Citizendium is the extreme case of this, and their restrictive
requirements have arguably crippled them and led to their current
all-but-moribund growth rate.

It sounds like a good idea, but it isn't.

- d.

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Gregory Maxwell | 3 Jan 2010 00:49
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Re: The story of an article

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 6:25 PM, altally <altallym <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up
>> to
>> four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to
>> create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days
>> old
>> and have made 10 edits.
>
> Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is it?

Damn straight!  We should also make them send us $5 too. That would
make mass vandalism really expensive to perform.  And geesh, whats
five bucks in exchange for the fantastic benefit of giving away your
effort and knowledge with no compensation. We'll even throw in a
revert of your contributions at no extra cost!

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Apoc 2400 | 3 Jan 2010 01:23
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The story of an article

>
> Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is
> it?
>
You are making the mistake of assuming newcomers think like "addicted"
Wikipedians or persistent troublemakers. This user only ever made about 25
edits and stayed just over a month, unless he or she got an account or
switched IP.

This goes in the same category as:
"Anyone with good intentions can get through the 6757836 step New Article
Wizard, so it's not too complicated"
"It doesn't matter if someone gets wrongly blocked, because they can just
request to be unblocked."
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Steve Bennett | 3 Jan 2010 09:39
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Re: The story of an article

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up
> to
> four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to
> create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days
> old
> and have made 10 edits.
>

Wait, we still have the 4 day limit? I thought we ditched that when it
turned out it made no positive difference.

Steve
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Charles Matthews | 3 Jan 2010 10:59

Re: The story of an article

Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Fascinating! I note how the article Celilo Falls was created a brought up
>> to
>> four long paragraphs by User:67.168.209.23. Today IPs are not allowed to
>> create articles and some want to limit it to accounts that are four days
>> old
>> and have made 10 edits.
>>
>>     
>
> Wait, we still have the 4 day limit? I thought we ditched that when it
> turned out it made no positive difference.
>
>   
Autoconfirmed status of accounts affects ability to move pages, but not 
ability to create articles.

Charles

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Gregory Maxwell | 3 Jan 2010 11:09
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Re: The story of an article

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:59 AM, Charles Matthews
<charles.r.matthews <at> ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Autoconfirmed status of accounts affects ability to move pages, but not
> ability to create articles.

And upload images and edit semi-protected (of course).

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altally | 3 Jan 2010 15:51

Re: The story of an article

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is
> > it?
> >
> You are making the mistake of assuming newcomers think like "addicted"
> Wikipedians or persistent troublemakers. This user only ever made about 25
> edits and stayed just over a month, unless he or she got an account or
> switched IP.
>
> This goes in the same category as:
> "Anyone with good intentions can get through the 6757836 step New Article
> Wizard, so it's not too complicated"
> "It doesn't matter if someone gets wrongly blocked, because they can just
> request to be unblocked."
>

When I started, I created an account from the beginning. Why? Because it
wasn't hard to notice the big "Sign in/create account" link in the corner.
Newbies aren't all clueless idiots. You are making the mistake of assuming
newcomers all have no idea what they are doing.

--Majorly
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Gwern Branwen | 3 Jan 2010 16:22
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Re: The story of an article

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, altally <altallym <at> googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Apoc 2400 <apoc2400 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Yes, it's not that difficult to create an account and wait a few days is
>> > it?
>> >
>> You are making the mistake of assuming newcomers think like "addicted"
>> Wikipedians or persistent troublemakers. This user only ever made about 25
>> edits and stayed just over a month, unless he or she got an account or
>> switched IP.
>>
>> This goes in the same category as:
>> "Anyone with good intentions can get through the 6757836 step New Article
>> Wizard, so it's not too complicated"
>> "It doesn't matter if someone gets wrongly blocked, because they can just
>> request to be unblocked."
>>
>
> When I started, I created an account from the beginning. Why? Because it
> wasn't hard to notice the big "Sign in/create account" link in the corner.
> Newbies aren't all clueless idiots. You are making the mistake of assuming
> newcomers all have no idea what they are doing.
>
> --Majorly

Is it enough that *some* users are savvy enough to make an account
right from the start? No one is saying that such barriers would stop
*all* new editors. Even small percentages matter over the long run.
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