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Rich Holton | 1 May 2007 01:08
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Re: Why aren't *all* wikia.com links restricted under nofollow?

David Gerard wrote:
> On 30/04/07, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi@...> wrote:
> 
>> An easy ethical solution to this would be for the WMF to go on the record of
>> stating what their relationship, financial or otherwise, was with any and
>> all websites listed in the Interwiki map.
> 
> 
> I suggest you are ill-placed to mention the word "ethical" in
> connection to anything anyone else should do, particularly Wikipedia:
> 
> http://www.joeszilagyi.com/2007/04/24/wikipedia-game-guide-%e2%80%9canonymous%e2%80%9d-is-your-secret-ally/
> 
> 
> - d.

David,

Can we please stick to the subject?

I happen to agree that *perception* is important in this case. While our 
goals have to do with promoting free content, those goals will be 
hindered by the perception of any conflict of interest or shady 
back-room deals.

I for one want to make sure there is no unnecessary ammunition for those 
who want to discredit Wikipedia or the Foundation.

-Rich
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James Farrar | 1 May 2007 01:18
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Re: Why aren't *all* wikia.com links restricted under nofollow?

On 01/05/07, Rich Holton <richholton@...> wrote:

> I for one want to make sure there is no unnecessary ammunition for those
> who want to discredit Wikipedia or the Foundation.

Those who want to discredit Wikipedia or the Foundation will find
ammunition. We have to consider how much time we can reasonably spend
making it slightly more difficult for them -- which is about the most
we can do.

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Joe Szilagyi | 1 May 2007 01:22
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Re: Why aren't *all* wikia.com links restricted under nofollow?

On 4/30/07, James Farrar <james.farrar@...> wrote:
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> On 01/05/07, Rich Holton <richholton@...> wrote:
> > I for one want to make sure there is no unnecessary ammunition for those
> > who want to discredit Wikipedia or the Foundation.
>
> Those who want to discredit Wikipedia or the Foundation will find
> ammunition. We have to consider how much time we can reasonably spend
> making it slightly more difficult for them -- which is about the most
> we can do.

Well, Bained had checked in a patch for Mediawiki to address this I believe,
but it was turned down by development--why was it turned down? Apparently a
simple coding solution, so that no one could get around the nofollow.

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James Farrar | 1 May 2007 01:24
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Re: In further news, Derek Smart is still a dick

On 30/04/07, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb@...> wrote:
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> On 4/30/07,  David Gerard <dgerard@...> wrote:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Gerard&diff=cur
> >
> > - d.
>
> Of course he is, but I'm not sure which edit proves it to you. The link
> above will always go to the last edit of your talk page.

I'm guessing http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:David_Gerard&diff=127148425&oldid=127145946

(http://tinyurl.com/2yt6kz)

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David Gerard | 1 May 2007 01:28
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Re: Why aren't *all* wikia.com links restricted under nofollow?

On 01/05/07, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi@...> wrote:

> Well, Bained had checked in a patch for Mediawiki to address this I believe,
> but it was turned down by development--why was it turned down? Apparently a
> simple coding solution, so that no one could get around the nofollow.

If you read this thread, you'd have seen the link to the bug and you'd
have the answer.

- d.

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Joe Szilagyi | 1 May 2007 01:35
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Re: Why aren't *all* wikia.com links restricted under nofollow?

On 4/30/07, David Gerard <dgerard@...> wrote:

> If you read this thread, you'd have seen the link to the bug and you'd
> have the answer.

I know your role is to be the UK public relations person, but you don't need
to be snippy and curt because someone is being critical of the great and
mighty WMF. Yes, I saw the link to bugzilla. No, we don't have an answer:

http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8753

Bainer: "There is the wgNoFollowLinks setting to add rel="nofollow" to all
external links, but no option to do the same for interwiki links. I have a
patch to implement this which will shortly be forthcoming."

Brion Vibber: "Untrusted sites should not be in the interwiki table,
probably, hmm?"

Rob Church: "It makes no sense to do this."

As has been said, however, this is *NOT*  a technical issue. It's a question
of "Why are some sites allowed around the nofollow restriction, creating
possible conflict of interest?" In other words, why is Wikipedia's stature
and resources being allowed to convey financial benefit to Wikia (and
others)? If they are allowed, why not all? That's the problem. The nofollow
should be for ethical reasons all-or-nothing. I have no problem with either
scenario, but theres no reason to not go all the way if you're going to do
it.

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Daniel R. Tobias | 1 May 2007 01:50

Re: Category destruction

On 30 Apr 2007 at 10:40:59 +0800,  "Andrew Lih" 
<andrew.lih@...> wrote:

> I do encourage you to listen to WikipediaWeekly.com when the episode
> comes out later this week.

I'd be more favorably inclined to it if it were at 
WikipediaWeekly.org instead, so it didn't look like a for-profit 
enterprise.  (Last I checked, the .org domain was still unregistered; 
one of these days, some cybersquatter will likely grab it and put 
something obnoxious there.)

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Phil Sandifer | 1 May 2007 01:52
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Re: In further news, Derek Smart is still a dick


On Apr 30, 2007, at 7:24 PM, James Farrar wrote:

> On 30/04/07, Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb@...> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/30/07,  David Gerard <dgerard@...> wrote:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php? 
>>> title=User_talk:David_Gerard&diff=cur
>>>
>>> - d.
>>
>> Of course he is, but I'm not sure which edit proves it to you. The  
>> link
>> above will always go to the last edit of your talk page.
>
> I'm guessing http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php? 
> title=User_talk:David_Gerard&diff=127148425&oldid=127145946
>
> (http://tinyurl.com/2yt6kz)

Oh, wow, Derek Smart!

Shit, I remember dealing with him once...

Actually a fairly hilarious guy. Well aware of his own reputation. He  
mostly seems to do this shit because he thinks it's kinda fun.

Do not unblock under any circumstances.

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Daniel R. Tobias | 1 May 2007 02:06

Re: Category destruction

On 30 Apr 2007 at 23:41 +0200, "MacGyverMagic/Mgm" 
<macgyvermagic@...> wrote:

> #1 If anything is wrong with categories is  that it's nearly impossible to
> trace when something is added or removed from a cat.

Including catnip?

I wouldn't try to remove something from a cat, unless it's been 
declawed.

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Anthony | 1 May 2007 02:08

Stats on most frequently linked sites

Does someone know of a list of the most frequently linked domain names
from Wikipedia (preferably just En)?

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