re:Response to External Evaluation Report

I like the west Florida shelf gag work.  We are doing similar work on the Atlantic side, FL to NC.  We have
determined gag spawning times and places from gonad histology, and have placed satellite-tracked
drifters and drift bottles on those sites (FL to NC) at the peak of spawning (2005; also planned for 2006). 
Eularian measurements of hydrography and circulation along these shelf-edge reefs and across the shelf
to estuarine nursery areas would also be useful to further define recruitment patterns to juvenile
habitats and to predict recruitment to the fishery.  Data would be useful for other shelf-edge spawners
that are estuarine or coastal dependent (menhaden, bluefish, red grouper, flounders).

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slight modification

Dear Fish Team,
   The stench of red-tide and hurricane induced rotting fish outside my 
office building made me think of y'all.  So attached is a small revison 
to the present "white paper."
   Along with satellite data overlays I think it importnat to emphasize 
that the fisheries issues are fully 3-D.  Hence the addition that I made.
   We have a nice draft going into the workshop.
Thanks.
Bob

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Re: [Fwd: Re: SEACOOS "Fish/Ecosystem team" white paper]

Bob, Madilyn:

Actually, I would like to also suggest that the language be reviewed
carefully. I am not asking to change the substance of a document vetted by
this small group, Bob, but to make sure that it does not get derailed when
vetted by a larger group of important stakeholders.

In my opinion, we are still in the review mode, and it will be like this
for some time.

Note that I made the same point Madilyn made about "products" in my email
of 10 July (attached). I would request that we change the language as
Madilyn suggested in her previous message. We should try to be sensitive
to this important issue of semantics.

Cheers,
Frank

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Institute for Marine Remote Sensing
College of Marine Science
University of South Florida
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Re: [Fwd: Re: SEACOOS "Fish/Ecosystem team" white paper]

All,
   While I do not stand in the way of improvements, not everyone's 
semantics mean the same thing.  We may get some specific statements for 
improvements from the FWRI folks on biologically specific aspects, and 
I'm sure at the workshop we will get lots of other inputs from people 
who may have not fully climed in yet.  These, of course, must all be 
taken very seriously.  If we take stakeholders seriously then nothing 
will get derailed.  Having said that I must also say that I often find 
EPA speak (their semantics) such as "stakeholder" to be less than 
useful.  Using Bush semantics that leads to some being dividers, not 
uniters.  So in the SEACOOS white paper I hope that we can include 
everyone's interests and expertise in a well discussed and fully vetted 
way so as many people as possible will be happy with a document that is 
both focused on a reasonable number of topics that we can make headway 
against and also scientifically defensible.
Bob

Frank Muller-Karger wrote:
> Bob, Madilyn:
> 
> Actually, I would like to also suggest that the language be reviewed
> carefully. I am not asking to change the substance of a document vetted by
> this small group, Bob, but to make sure that it does not get derailed when
> vetted by a larger group of important stakeholders.
> 
> In my opinion, we are still in the review mode, and it will be like this
> for some time.
> 
> Note that I made the same point Madilyn made about "products" in my email
> of 10 July (attached). I would request that we change the language as

SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Dear all,

I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem. 
It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in 
response to your input.  There is an attempt to have general ideas as 
well as specific examples for consideration.

Please consider this as a starting point for discussion at the workshop. 
  It will be refined and modified further to reflect the input received 
at the meeting.

Best wishes and thank you again for your input,
Cisco.

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Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3300  |   FAX:    (919)-962-1254

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Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Cisco - thank you for updating the document. It is starting to look like 
someting that may be useful!
Cheers,
Frank

cisco wrote:

>Dear all,
>
>I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem. 
>It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in 
>response to your input.  There is an attempt to have general ideas as 
>well as specific examples for consideration.
>
>Please consider this as a starting point for discussion at the workshop. 
>  It will be refined and modified further to reflect the input received 
>at the meeting.
>
>Best wishes and thank you again for your input,
>Cisco.
>
>  
>

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Institute for Marine Remote Sensing/IMaRS 

RE: Spam:SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Cisco,
I think the response from Frank is an excellent start.  Great job!
Roger

Roger Pugliese
Senior Fishery Biologist
South Atlantic Fishery Management Council
One Southpark Circle, Suite 306
Charleston, SC 29407-4699
Tel: (843)571-4366
FAX: (843)769-4520
email: roger.pugliese <at> safmc.net

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Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Dear all,

I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem. 
It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in 
response to your input.  There is an attempt to have general ideas as 
well as specific examples for consideration.

Please consider this as a starting point for discussion at the workshop.

  It will be refined and modified further to reflect the input received 

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Quoting cisco <cisco <at> unc.edu>:
> I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem.
> It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in
> response to your input.  There is an attempt to have general ideas as
> well as specific examples for consideration.

Cisco,

Thanks for forwarding this version. With the receipt of this draft, your team
folder has been published:

http://seacoos.org/teams/fisheries-circulation/

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Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.seacoos.org
office: 17-6 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 962-4323
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

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