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gerhaush | 29 Jun 2006 19:14
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[Global Change: 320] Re: NY Times: geoengineering to combat global warming


At the moment it seems to me, all eggs are in the emissions reductions
basket. Research doesn't preclude other options. A lot of your
objections could be investigated through research.

You know that I do favour a rather modest climate change policy effort
at the moment, but many policies that would help reduce emissions, such
as more nuclear power or higher gasoline taxes, I like for other
reasons.

At any rate, I don't see major movement in the near term (next two
decades) on gasoline taxes or nuclear power or renewable energy, not to
the point where it would make a big difference compared to BAU. Wind
for example may be growing really fast and it has lots of potential,
but at the moment renewables = 95%+ biomass and hydro, and most of the
absolute growth comes from the likes of 3 Gorges.

Therefore, I also don't think that the difference between very little
research on geoengineering (the present state of affairs) and somewhat
more research on geoengineering (what I'd like while being politically
achievable), is going to have much effect on other climate change
policies, be it support for renewables, nuclear or higher energy taxes.

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Michael Tobis | 30 Jun 2006 01:31
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[Global Change: 321] NNTP feed for this list


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Coby Beck | 30 Jun 2006 06:07
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[Global Change: 322] Re: NNTP feed for this list


Michael Tobis wrote:
> For those who would like to follow this list with an old-fashioned
> newsreader, an NNTP feed is now available at
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Anyone know of a free news server that carries this?

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Hoggle | 30 Jun 2006 23:21
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[Global Change: 323] Re: Someone might want to correct Wikipedia.


William and I could do with a helping hand with this one too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_record_of_the_past_1000_years

Darned NRC report is just to wishy-washy to sum up neatly without
arguments, and no-one is bothering to discuss why their version is
better.

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Michael Tobis | 1 Jul 2006 04:32
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[Global Change: 324] nice article about the denialists


"The Tempest" by Joel Achenbach appeared in the Washington Post late in
May.

It's a very thoughtful and insightful article about the global warming
denial camp, a bit too anecdotal in style for my taste but nevertheless
I highly recommend it.

Over a month old and on a newspaper site, though. Grab it while you
can. Newspapers have this odd habit of expiring articles off the web.
(sigh) Someday they'll figure it out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html

a salient quote:

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LET US BE HONEST about the intellectual culture of America in general:
It has become almost impossible to have an intelligent discussion about
anything.

Everything is a war now. This is the age of lethal verbal combat, where
even scientific issues involving measurements and molecules are somehow
supernaturally polarizing. The controversy about global warming resides
all too perfectly at the collision point of environmentalism and free
market capitalism. It's bound to be not only politicized but twisted,
mangled and beaten senseless in the process. The divisive nature of
global warming isn't helped by the fact that the most powerful
global-warming skeptic (at least by reputation) is President Bush, and
the loudest warnings come from Al Gore.
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