Chuck Grimes | 1 May 2012 01:14
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Guy Robinson

Thanks to Lou Proycet and indirectly to Les Schaffer for turning me on
to Guy Robinson. A bit late, but hey ...

I liked the letters between Robinson and Kuhn so much I just bought 
Robinson's Philosophy and Mystification.

LP writes:

`In my opinion, Guy is one of the few Marxist Philosophers whose work is 
genuinely worth reading. Indeed, I'd go much further: I cannot praise his 
book, Philosophy and Mystification (Fordham University Press, 2003), too 
highly; it seems to me that this is how Marxist Philosophy should be done.'

One quick glance at the contents, and a click on Chapter something and I am
reading on Euclid, saying something that seem a very familiar thought...

I am reposting two of the links. The first should go to the letters

http://dalkeyguy.blogspot.com/

The other goes to a collection of Robinson's writings.

http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/other_material.htm

CG

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Les Schaffer | 1 May 2012 01:46
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Chuck:

I'd be very interested to hear what you think of Guy's " Philosophy and
Mystification". 

Les

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Tom Walker | 1 May 2012 02:28
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Tim Worstall is is hardly a reliable "interpreter" of Marx.




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Chuck Grimes | 1 May 2012 02:41
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Les,

Great to hear from you. I am reading Robinson's essay here:

http://anti-dialectics.co.uk/making_materialism_historical.htm

It is a rough prospectus or outline of a philosophy of history, where
history means historical materialism. In very crude terms it asserts that
our concepts of nature in the scientific sense are transcendent and should 
be.

Rather they are historically dependent on the social-historical moments of 
early enlightenment societies---which co-evolve with Capitalism.

One key example is the concept of human `nature' (HN) which is presumed to 
be both fixed and naturally given.

Hobbes, Spinoza, Locke,  Rousseau--just about everybody in the period had a 
theory about human nature. It's tied up with political philosophy of
democracy as in law, social contract, individual responsibilities, land 
ownership, wealth, etc.

There are many many consequences of this concept, and I am
nearly certain that Robinson will go after this artifical construction in a
big way.

I wish Robinson and Kuhn had more letters. Kuhn knew the math and physics 
which may have conceptual equivalents. The material point,
kinematics, the lay out of classical laws of motion. The transcendent system
in the classical view is action-at-a-distance problem of gravity. That got
temporarially solved by making gravitation correspond to space geometry, 
materialized to some extent.

Another great ride I've had follows the dark matter, dark energy observation 
work. Follow the names of Noble Prize Physics 2011:Saul Perlmutter, Brian 
Schmitt, and Adam Riess. There is another guy from Harvard. Forgot his name. 
They all gave lectures at the Noble dinner, but they also have more 
technical lectures to follow up on the web.

More later,

Chuck

Vague weird ideas are going around in my head. Kinda of fun. 

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c b | 1 May 2012 03:20
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Lenin the Nudist ? smiles

http://stalinsmoustache.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/lenin-the-nudist/

Lenin the Nudist
Posted by stalinsmoustache under anatomy, Another world is possible,
hairy creatures of God, swimming | Tags: nudism, reading Lenin |
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A lesser known aspect of the Russian Revolution is the flourishing of
… nudism. After the revolution, the famous actress, Ida Rubenstein,
played naked on stage. The poet Goldschmidt would appear naked on the
streets. A movement called ‘Down with shame’ would walk the streets in
Soviet cities, catch trams, go about their daily lives wearing nothing
but a red sash over their shoulders. A White Army newspaper joked in
1919 that the price of suits must have skyrocketed, since so many
people were going around naked. At international nudist conferences in
the 1920s, the Soviet delegates far outnumbered those from other
countries. Over the summers, rivers, beaches and lakes witnessed
millions of old people, children, families, singles in the prime of
their life gathered to play games, picnic or enjoy the sun – all
naked.

How did it begin? It appears that during his long exile before the
Revolution, Lenin visited a nudist beach in Austria and was favourably
impressed. It was not so much the naked bodies everywhere, but the
emphasis on healthy living. Given that Lenin was – as many noted – a
muscular man with a love of outdoor activities, nudism was a natural
extension of that passion. Soon enough both he and Krupskaya were
regularly tossing their clothes in a corner and diving into the
nearest river, lake or sea completely starkers. I’m not sure whether
they also hiked and rode their bicycles naked (ice-skating might be a
little tricky), but in this light one of Lenin’s favoured phrases,
‘tearing off the fig-leaf’, takes on a whole new meaning.

As do regular observations in the letters concerning swimming. For
instance, Krupskaya writes about their stay at Pornic in France in the
summer of 1910, ‘He went sea-bathing a lot, cycled a good deal – he
loved the sea and the sea breezes – chatted gaily with the Kostitsins
on everything under the sun’. Of course, one can enjoy the breeze much
more when naked, even while chatting away with all and sundry. It
mattered not where they were, for they would swim naked – in
Longjumeau or in Pornic on the French coast, or in Stjernsund in
Sweden, or in swimming pools in Munich, or in Poronino or in the
Vistula River in Krakow. Nor were they alone, for other Bolsheviks
were also given to stripping down whenever possible, among them
Anatoly Lunacharsky, Nikolai Bukharin, Alexander Bogdanov.

After his return to Russia in 1917, Lenin bemoaned the fact that
people still gathered in summer and swam in costumes, so he asked why
they couldn’t do so without clothes: ‘We have much work to do for new
forms of life, simplified and free’, he observed.

Why? As one of those early communist nudists observed, ‘In nudity
class distinctions disappear. Workers, peasants, office workers are
suddenly just people’. An image of a classless society, perhaps.

Lenin addressing a nudist convention in the Kremlin.
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123hop | 1 May 2012 03:53
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I observed a lot less shame about the body in Europe than in the U.S.

One of the loveliest things I've seen is a middle-aged mother sunbathing topless next to her teenage daughter on a beach in Valencia. (1991)

There's a lot of bullshit that just drops away when you take all your clothes off. Unfortunately, nakedness is always sexualized in the U.S.

Swimming naked is heaven.

Joanna

http://stalinsmoustache.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/lenin-the-nudist/

Lenin the Nudist
Posted by stalinsmoustache under anatomy, Another world is possible,
hairy creatures of God, swimming | Tags: nudism, reading Lenin |
[3] Comments
A lesser known aspect of the Russian Revolution is the flourishing of
… nudism. After the revolution, the famous actress, Ida Rubenstein,
played naked on stage. The poet Goldschmidt would appear naked on the
streets. A movement called ‘Down with shame’ would walk the streets in
Soviet cities, catch trams, go about their daily lives wearing nothing
but a red sash over their shoulders. A White Army newspaper joked in
1919 that the price of suits must have skyrocketed, since so many
people were going around naked. At international nudist conferences in
the 1920s, the Soviet delegates far outnumbered those from other
countries. Over the summers, rivers, beaches and lakes witnessed
millions of old people, children, families, singles in the prime of
their life gathered to play games, picnic or enjoy the sun – all
naked.

How did it begin? It appears that during his long exile before the
Revolution, Lenin visited a nudist beach in Austria and was favourably
impressed. It was not so much the naked bodies everywhere, but the
emphasis on healthy living. Given that Lenin was – as many noted – a
muscular man with a love of outdoor activities, nudism was a natural
extension of that passion. Soon enough both he and Krupskaya were
regularly tossing their clothes in a corner and diving into the
nearest river, lake or sea completely starkers. I’m not sure whether
they also hiked and rode their bicycles naked (ice-skating might be a
little tricky), but in this light one of Lenin’s favoured phrases,
‘tearing off the fig-leaf’, takes on a whole new meaning.

As do regular observations in the letters concerning swimming. For
instance, Krupskaya writes about their stay at Pornic in France in the
summer of 1910, ‘He went sea-bathing a lot, cycled a good deal – he
loved the sea and the sea breezes – chatted gaily with the Kostitsins
on everything under the sun’. Of course, one can enjoy the breeze much
more when naked, even while chatting away with all and sundry. It
mattered not where they were, for they would swim naked – in
Longjumeau or in Pornic on the French coast, or in Stjernsund in
Sweden, or in swimming pools in Munich, or in Poronino or in the
Vistula River in Krakow. Nor were they alone, for other Bolsheviks
were also given to stripping down whenever possible, among them
Anatoly Lunacharsky, Nikolai Bukharin, Alexander Bogdanov.

After his return to Russia in 1917, Lenin bemoaned the fact that
people still gathered in summer and swam in costumes, so he asked why
they couldn’t do so without clothes: ‘We have much work to do for new
forms of life, simplified and free’, he observed.

Why? As one of those early communist nudists observed, ‘In nudity
class distinctions disappear. Workers, peasants, office workers are
suddenly just people’. An image of a classless society, perhaps.



Lenin addressing a nudist convention in the Kremlin.
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robert mckee | 1 May 2012 13:26
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The UK's weak recovery and profitability

http://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2012/05/01/the-uks-weak-recovery-and-profitability/

UK profitability is still some 27% below its peak in Q4’2007 for all corporations, and has hardly recovered since the trough of Q3’2009.  It’s even worse in the manufacturing sector.  Profitability there is 58% down from its peak in early 2008 and is now at a low since records began.  On official figures, labour’s share of UK GDP has fallen over the same period that UK corporate profitability has fallen.  So it cannot be labour’s fault.  Indeed, real disposable income has been falling for eight consecutive quarters. The problem is ‘dead capital’, or excess capacity in the UK capitalist sector.  This must be cleared before profitability will rise sufficiently for investment to resume.  Since 1997, when the overall rate of profit peaked in the UK (see graphic above), the mass of profits has risen 38%, but capital stock has jumped 65%.  So it’s the falling productivity of capital that is the problem, not a rising share of new value going to labour. And until profitability rises,UK capitalists are on an investment strike.  UK businesses are still investing 15% less than they did before the crisis at end 2007.
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Jim Devine | 1 May 2012 16:49
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we're all nudists under our clothes.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 6:20 PM, c b <cb31450@...> wrote:
> http://stalinsmoustache.wordpress.com/2012/04/26/lenin-the-nudist/
>
> Lenin the Nudist
> Posted by stalinsmoustache under anatomy, Another world is possible,
> hairy creatures of God, swimming | Tags: nudism, reading Lenin |
> [3] Comments
> A lesser known aspect of the Russian Revolution is the flourishing of
> … nudism. After the revolution, the famous actress, Ida Rubenstein,
> played naked on stage. The poet Goldschmidt would appear naked on the
> streets. A movement called ‘Down with shame’ would walk the streets in
> Soviet cities, catch trams, go about their daily lives wearing nothing
> but a red sash over their shoulders. A White Army newspaper joked in
> 1919 that the price of suits must have skyrocketed, since so many
> people were going around naked. At international nudist conferences in
> the 1920s, the Soviet delegates far outnumbered those from other
> countries. Over the summers, rivers, beaches and lakes witnessed
> millions of old people, children, families, singles in the prime of
> their life gathered to play games, picnic or enjoy the sun – all
> naked.
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Jim Devine | 1 May 2012 16:46
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Louis Proyect <lnp3@...> wrote:
>
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/02/17/foxconn-raises-pay-karl-marx-explains-why/ <

This is bad. It's really just using Marx's name to use supply &
demand. The author doesn't realize that increased labor productivity
can and often does _reduce_ the demand for labor-power (as Marx knew),
freeing up labor for other capitalists to exploit. For any given
amount demanded for the products that Foxconn workers make, rising
labor productivity reduces Foxconn's employment of workers. In fact,
that may be the whole point: the company may be mechanizing in order
to reduce employment and control labor. An actual increase in
employment might occur, however, if there's a large surge in demand
for Foxconn's product or if productivity increases lead to significant
falls in Foxconn's prices. I don't see the latter happening.

The author seems to be making a major mistake that my students
regularly make, i.e., confusing "production" (output) with
"productivity" (output per worker).

The good news is that it seems that it's okay to cite Marx in public now.
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Jim Devine | 1 May 2012 17:28
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raghu wrote:
>> Power, if it has any meaning at all, must refer to control by one
>> human being over another. It makes no sense at all to talk about
>> "power" held by a class as a whole.

Julio Huato wrote:
> If the term power has any meaning at all, it must refer to the ability
> to accomplish a purpose in and through our social relations.  In other
> words, ultimately, all human power is *labor power*, the *productive
> power of labor*.  In the last analysis, the productive power of labor
> is the power of humans to transform nature into wealth, freedom, etc.
> -- i.e. more power.

Julio, you use two different meanings of "power" here. Marx's phrase
"labor power" refers to the human ability to produce (or in AK Sen's
lingo, a human capacity). This ability to produce may or may not be
realized as actual labor (effort).

On the other hand, the "productive power of labor" refers to the
results of the use of labor-power as labor, i.e., the effectiveness of
effort. So the first meaning of "power" refers to a capability and the
second to effectiveness.

There's at least one more meaning of "power," the one which raghu used
and was at the center of the pen-l discussion: this is the common
meaning -- associated with the political scientist Robert Dahl -- in
which "power" means that person “A” gets person “B” to do what “A”
wants. (To my mind, "A" might be a group rather than an individual.)

Power may or may not involve coercion. The key role that power has in
the normal workings of capitalism is that having sufficient money
allows an individual capitalist to command labor and get it to create
more money (surplus-value). There's also political power, etc.
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