Doyle Saylor | 1 Mar 02:14 2003

[PEN-L:35158] Re: open-source teaching ref # 35147

Greetings Economists,
Thanks for bringing this up Tavis.  Something I've wanted to see discussed
for quite awhile.  In my view an important topic for the left to develop
some practice in.  So your initiative is welcome from my point of view
entirely.  I think there are some questions of course to pose.  Where Tavis

Open-source publications can be
malleable.  For example, the Linux Documentation Project (LDP)
( is a series of documents -- of highly variable
quality -- that help users negotiate the Linux operating system and
related software.

Why such methods haven't migrated to publishing
textbooks already seems a highly practical point to make here. I think this
requires a close economic examination of the issues that arise.  The essay
that Bill Lear forwarded on his list of URL resources observes the problems
with textbook publishing through open source.  It is not just a matter of
document publishing in Open Source being malleable.  To quote from
that essay;

" The most surprising result of my survey, however, was that there were no
books that were really open source in the sense in which the term is used in
the open-source movement. "

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Doyle Saylor | 1 Mar 02:40 2003

[PEN-L:35159] Re: open-source teaching? Ref # 35137

Greetings Economists,
The remarks pasted in below the signature have several problems in an 'open
source' sense.  Bill Lear posted a site
- - that describes the
problems an individual author had with open source book publishing.  That
essay considers whether the source might be a book or an on line
publication, what open source publishing requirements.  The list below from
Kelley starts by advocating sources of collaborative teaching projects which
while fine have little to do with the concept of open source, and continues
to conflate Open Source with Collaboration in a way that makes it hard to
understand what is at issue.   How are we to understand why text book
publishing is retarded in comparison to other Open Source projects?  Let's
discuss collaboration technology in a different thread.

Wikipedia is more an archive of writings on the same topic rather than a
carefully crafted single standard source of information derived in a
collaborative (collaboration techniques variable to the Open Source product)
manner under specific commercial licensing agreements characteristic of Open
Source theory about copyright.  There may be virtues to having multiple
threads to an Encyclopedia article, but that neglects the standards and
rights issue that Open Source promotes.

Kelley writes there are plenty of Open Source book publishing information on
the web which assertion is addressed cogently in the essay cited above from
Bill Lear.  A quote from that source;

" The most surprising result of my survey, however, was that there were no
books that were really open source in the sense in which the term is used in
the open-source movement. "

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Seth Sandronsky | 1 Mar 03:00 2003

[PEN-L:35160] No to Will, Yes to Peace

No to Will, Yes to Peace


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Ian Murray | 1 Mar 04:24 2003

[PEN-L:35161] man-cue

So, if GM considers supply-side drivel drivel, why is the onus being put
on him to explain his position rather than on the cranks and charlatans
that have hired him?



Mr. Mankiw's comments have infuriated a number of prominent supply-side
economists, including at least one who helped draft the Reagan tax cuts.
Some of them question how Mr. Mankiw can credibly promote Mr. Bush's tax
cut proposals in Congress, with business groups and among the public at

"It's stupid; it's simply not what a good economist writes," said Martin
Anderson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute who served in the Reagan
White House and also advised Mr. Bush during the presidential campaign.
"Anybody who puts that in a textbook for tens of thousands of students to
read has a lot of explaining to do."


And Doug, how did you know his dog's name, did you call the animal


Michael Perelman | 1 Mar 04:26 2003

[PEN-L:35162] trials of henry kissinger

The Sundance Channel will broadcast the film Monday night.  I have heard
some of the audio, which sounded pretty interesting.  Surprising that it
would broadcast now.
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael@...

Chris Burford | 1 Mar 08:10 2003

[PEN-L:35163] Confronting the empire - Samir Amin

Bill Lear | 1 Mar 13:07 2003

[PEN-L:35164] Re: No to Will, Yes to Peace

On Saturday, March 1, 2003 at 02:00:46 (+0000) Seth Sandronsky writes:
>No to Will, Yes to Peace

Ah, good old George Will, who remarked in manly prose that the bombing
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a "profoundly moral deed".


Max B. Sawicky | 1 Mar 14:26 2003

[PEN-L:35165] Red Ken & Congrestion Charges

Question to any list-Brits:  how's that congestion
thing in London going?

Interesting that it has taken someone on the extreme
left of political acceptability to implement a
thoroughly neo-classical economic scheme.

The visionary Bill Vickrey wrote about this in I believe
the 1950s or 60s.


Louis Proyect | 1 Mar 14:42 2003

[PEN-L:35166] Amartya Sen thesis challenged

NY Times, Mar. 1, 2003
Does Democracy Avert Famine?

Few scholars have left more of a mark on the field of development economics 
than Amartya Sen.

The winner of the 1998 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Science, Mr. Sen 
has changed the way economists think about such issues as collective 
decision-making, welfare economics and measuring poverty. He has pioneered 
the use of economic tools to highlight gender inequality, and he helped the 
United Nations devise its Human Development Index — today the most widely 
used measure of how well nations meet basic social needs.

More than anything, though, Mr. Sen is known for his work on famine. Just 
as Adam Smith is associated with the phrase "invisible hand" and Joseph 
Schumpeter with "creative destruction," Mr. Sen is famous for his assertion 
that famines do not occur in democracies. "No famine has ever taken place 
in the history of the world in a functioning democracy," he wrote in 
"Democracy as Freedom" (Anchor, 1999). This, he explained, is because 
democratic governments "have to win elections and face public criticism, 
and have strong incentive to undertake measures to avert famines and other 
catastrophes." This proposition, advanced in a host of books and articles, 
has shaped the thinking of a generation of policy makers, scholars and 
relief workers who deal with famine.

Now, however, in India, the main focus of Mr. Sen's research, there are 
growing reports of starvation. In drought-ravaged states like Rajasthan in 
the west and Orissa in the east, many families have been reduced to eating 
bark and grass to stay alive. Already thousands may have died. This is 
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soula avramidis | 1 Mar 15:42 2003

[PEN-L:35167] Re: Confronting the empire - Samir Amin

stopping hitler may be easier than stopping bush now. the carnage is waiting to happen and in some scenarios US miltary analysts are aware of the time dimension and therefore winning requires a massive very massive bombing campaign. war is somehow the realisation of the military commodity. the more capital accumulation becomes centered on military spending the more natural it becomes to consume the bombs in wars.  

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