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Jason Shron | 1 Nov 2009 01:07
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Re: Budd Equipment/Ren equipment again...


--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Don Thomas"
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> When I compare the ride in an upper berth in a Budd double bedroom with an upper in a Ren sleeper, I'll take the
Budd any time. Other members of my family say the same.
> 

It's personal preference.  I've slept well in both.

The rooms are similar in size.  The ride comfort is the same.

I don't often get to ride in Ren sleepers but I would have no problem doing it again.  It just seems the only
trains I ever ride overnight are the Canadian and the Chaleur.

Though I will admit, the presence of a drawing room and a dome on the Chaleur was a major factor in choosing
Gaspe/New Carlisle over Moncton for my jaunt next January.

If the Ren equipment had these two features, it would have been a toss up.

-Jason

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Jason Shron | 1 Nov 2009 01:08
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Renaissance domes

A question for the structural engineers on the list:

Is it possible to remanufacture three of the Renaissance sleepers into dome cars?

-Jason

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james armstrong | 1 Nov 2009 02:20
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Re: Via Station Projects

I think the money is just being put in their to bring the system a little up to date. I really do not think they
will privatise it. Who is going to 
buy a system which is operating with oldish equipment 'tuned up' engines with a new colour cheme which is not
going to match the rolling
stock. then there is the matter of 'rented tracks' which is enought to put off any prospective buyer. to make
it attractive for privatization I 
would think the government would have to spend lavishly before putting it up for sale. And here is a small
matter to further illustrate my point.
A new station is going to be constructed just east of the old one in windsor. Now when i was a member of M.A.R.P
the members of the 
organiztion thought the best place for any new station was where the old CP station used to be. On the West
side near McKay. the tracks 
disappear into the tunnel and go to Chicago. The thinking weas to pave the way for a night sleeper service. If
one goes by the thinking of
centre to centre of each city then frankly neither the present location  nor the above quite qualify. but
they are both in built up areas and 
the Windsor bus service could frequent both localities. In fact if they do build the new station next to the
old one the only good factor is 
the city bus management no longer have any excuse for saying that bringing the two buses- the Crosstown 2 and
the Walkerville 8 cannot
service  the station because they do not know how long VIA will be there. Now they do. As far as I am concerned
when I look at all of the
above I am looking at two systems which are far behind the times. Privatize it? I cannot see it happening 
James Windsor
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gopullman | 1 Nov 2009 02:22
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Re: Re: Budd Equipment


In a message dated 10/31/2009 11:20:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tbox@... writes:

Can you  supply a reference to that source, please?  Was it
someone credible,  or just the railfan rumor mill?
================================================================
I didn't indicate it as fact. The source was either this board or AA. We  
operate in the most rumor-rife industry in the entire world. Politics? Not 
even  close. And it's been my experience over 45 years that most bad rumors 
are true,  sooner or later. If this one is an exception, great.

I stand corrected on both the Manor rebuilds and the single accommodations  
in Australia, I take it from the press release  that Via is  not changing 
the interior configuration of the Manors, merely  refurbishing them?

Obviously the term "cabin" is used for sleeping car rooms in other parts of 
 the world. But until now, I've never heard it applied in Canada, the US or 
 Mexico.

Tom Hoffman
Pearisburg VA

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Jakob | 1 Nov 2009 02:24
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Re: The Chaleur question

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Barry"
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> I hope that scenario never happens.  VIA would lose a lot more Montreal and Ontario passengers than it would
gain from the intermediate points.
> 
> Barry (a frequent Chaleur traveler)

Isn't the train Gerry describes almost the "St. Laurent" of the 1980s,  but extended to Gaspe, and
terminated before Montreal?

Every photo I have ever seen of this train was a decent length - 8 cars or more.

This is one region of Canada that might benefit from increased/restored service (well, name a region that
wouldn't). I would advocate adding daytime service rather than replacing the Chaleur. If equipment
availability wasn't an issue, both frequency and speed help attract rail travelers. A second train would
obviously be a better frequency, but the Gaspe line badly needs a track upgrade.

Jakob

> --- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., G Burridge
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> > 
> > 	It's unlikely to happen in the near future, or possibly ever again, 
> > but what I'd like to see is a (re)introduction of _daytime_ service 
> > between Quebec and the lower St Lawrence, and extending it to Gaspe, 
> > replacing the Montreal-Gaspe train 'formerly known as the Chaleur'. 
> > Current running time between Charny and Gaspe is ~14hours; faster 
> > timimg would be preferable(unlikely), but, as well, an hour or so of
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Jakob | 1 Nov 2009 03:01
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Re: Budd Equipment

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., Tom Box <tbox <at> ...> wrote:
> > (sorry, a cabin is a house at a lake) with the big rooms.
> 
> A cabin is also, according to Merriam-Webster, "A private
> room on a ship for one or a few persons", and by extension,
> a similar room on a train.  This usage is quite common
> around the world.  Just because Pullman didn't use this word
> during your youth doesn't make it wrong.  Some examples...

...Just because Pullman made a better word doesn't make it wrong, either.

All of those examples are following true British English or are from non-English European rail services
likely using British English to cater to their nearest English market in the UK. It's not wrong, but in this
case, "roomette" is more right. I believe it is a much more common and idiomatic North American usage.

> > As it stands today, Via is the only passenger railroad
> > in North America (and maybe the entire world) that offers
> > sleeping car accommodations designed for one person. For 
> > Amtrak's enlightenment, that's: one, un, une, uno, or
> > the whole number that lies between zero and two.
> 
> Certainly not the only one in the world.  See the numerous
> references to single accommodations above.

I'm glad to know that it's not the only one, but Tom (Hoffman) has a point.

Currently, the "Ocean" has two major options (nevermind the shower option or the summer tourist class) for
a passenger's sleeping accomodation: a coach seat, or a double bedroom. The only exception is during the
winter, when a set of Budd equipment runs twice a week to allow for maintenance on the three Renaissance sets.
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Buffy | 1 Nov 2009 03:06
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Re: Budd Equipment


Speak for yourself, I and many others love this equipment! As an employee when I see a HEP1 train I see an
uneventful trip! No stopping to check bearings under the car, no cutting out parking brakes that come on
for no reason, all I see is a train that keeps going and going and going! Talk to the employees who work the
Renaissance equipment and see what kind of a response you get. I don't know how many times I have worked #48
and caught up to #66 because they were having electrical problems or had doors opening up while the train
was in motion. Rebuilding seems to work for other passenger carriers like Rock Mountaineer and the Royal
Canadian Pacific train. While CP may be using ancient equipment it is very well maintained and appointed.
Even the Renaissance isn't "New" equipment it's over 10 years old. What would you and these so called "Rail
advocates" prefer to ride? Renaissance? LRC? Superliners? Maybe a Nuclear powered supertrain crossing
the counrty in hours not days??? Lets say the government gave Via Rail enough money replace the entire
fleet, what would you buy?  I would imagine new equipment might take the form of double decker superliner
style equipment. While Im sure Amtrak Superliners would be great for a transcontinental trip many others
would still prefer to ride Budd equipment. Like others have pointed out many wouldn't even know the
difference! I met with Terry M (new_flyer2000) for a quick get together before he headed back to Vancouver
tonight. And you don't know how much I wished I was heading West on that train myself. There's something
about riding the stainless steal Budd equipment that just entices me, more so then Renaissance, LRC or
Amtrak Superliners. I'm looking forward to possibly going West next summer hopefully in one of the
refurbished HEP 1 sleepers. Via rail is proving that equipment can be rebuilt to be as good if not better
then new. I for one am glad to see the equipment being maintained and upgraded and not hauled off for scrap.

Terry Brennan
aka Virus Boy....not to be confused with Balloon Boy!

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Peter D.A. Warwick"
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> I've seen many comments from people saying they like the Budd equipment. Well in my view it should be
scrapped, sold off or placed in a museum. It does not belong in today's mainline service no matter how well
you redo the interiors. Railfans may love it, but most rail advocates and the general traveling public do
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Andrew | 1 Nov 2009 03:09
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Re: Renaissance domes


--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Jason Shron"
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> A question for the structural engineers on the list:
> 
> Is it possible to remanufacture three of the Renaissance 
> sleepers into dome cars?

All Renaissance equipment is unibody (aka monocoque) 
construction. Not sure whether that influences the
answer.

Andrew

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Terry | 1 Nov 2009 03:30

VIA #1

VIA #1 Departure Toronto Union Stn Track 8  <at>  10pm

6404 Mtrl Assigned Unit
6412 Mtrl Assigned Unit
8615 Baggage
8119
8107
8515 Skyline
8402 Alexander Dining Car
8314 Cameron Manor
8324 Dunsmuir Manor
8310 Brock Manor
8309 Brant Manor
8716 Tweedsmuir Park

2 Units, 12 Cars

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Buffy | 1 Nov 2009 03:36
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Re: VIA #1

Hope you have a good trip back to Vancouver Terry! 

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Terry" <terrybc <at> ...> wrote:
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> VIA #1 Departure Toronto Union Stn Track 8  <at>  10pm
> 
> 6404 Mtrl Assigned Unit
> 6412 Mtrl Assigned Unit
> 8615 Baggage
> 8119
> 8107
> 8515 Skyline
> 8402 Alexander Dining Car
> 8314 Cameron Manor
> 8324 Dunsmuir Manor
> 8310 Brock Manor
> 8309 Brant Manor
> 8716 Tweedsmuir Park
> 
> 2 Units, 12 Cars
>

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