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Steve Ellis | 1 Oct 2009 01:14

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

Thanks Tom, for the information on my grandma's first cross-country trip. Does anyone also happen to
have the Truro, Bathurst and Montreal departure/arrival times for the 1967-68 Scotian? That was my
grandma's third and last cross country trip, and she used the Scotian to Montreal and connected with the
Super Continental. I know more about that trip than her 1950 trip. Once I get the the times this time,
I'll put them in a place where I won't forget where they are!  

 
"Nannie" always used to talk about seeing big-horned sheep and mountain sheep, but I wonder how well one
could see them just from the train (?). I keep thinking about a trip on The Canadian. I went from Vancouver to
Banff this year by car along Route 3 via the Okanogan Valley (Osoyoos and other border towns) and up to
Cranbrook. People told me I should have followed a more northerly route like the one the train takes
because the mountains are much lovlier that way. Has anybody been both ways to make a comparison? I
certainly did enjoy Banff, Jasper and the Icefields Parkway, though. 
 
 
I hear very few comments about the wilderness ride between Caperol and Winnipeg. Is the scenery dull or
boring? I know people driving cross country complain about the long distances in Northern Ontario and say
it is the least interesting part of the trip. 
 
 
Many thanks,
Steve Ellis,
Dodge City,
Kansas
 

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Will | 1 Oct 2009 01:48

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

On 2009-09-30, at 6:14 PM, Steve Ellis wrote:

> I hear very few comments about the wilderness ride between Caperol  
> and Winnipeg. Is the scenery dull or boring? I know people driving  
> cross country complain about the long distances in Northern Ontario  
> and say it is the least interesting part of the trip.

Everyone has different opinions on what's considered scenic. I've  
talked to people who like the scenery in Northern Ontario; however,  
others, such as my Dad hated it. The scenery consists of trees right  
next to the train (think going through a tunnel type proximity) with  
lakes and rocks in between. When your going through it at 40-60MPH it  
all kind of seems like a blur and in my opinion it's not the most  
interesting. Than again I like the scenery on the prairies which many  
others find boring.

Will 

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Steve Ellis | 1 Oct 2009 02:00

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

Thanks, Will, for your opinion. Of course, it is a subjective matter, but I was wondering what the scenery
consisted of...if it was mostly tress or if there were also lots of lakes and at least some low mountains. I
have been by road as far west in Ontario as Sault Ste. Marie and, between Sudbury and there, it is rather
dull, from a scenic standpoint. However, The Canadian does not follow along the same route as the Trans
Canada Highway and does not go to S. S. Marie, and I was wondering if the route of The Canadian was markedly
different as to scenery. 

I agree with you that the Great Plains are scenic. I live in Kansas now, and is can be very beautiful,
especially when the wheat is ripe or at sunrise/sunset. 

Steve Ellis

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From: Will <will@...>
Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)
To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@...
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:48 PM

On 2009-09-30, at 6:14 PM, Steve Ellis wrote:

> I hear very few comments about the wilderness ride between Caperol 
> and Winnipeg. Is the scenery dull or boring? I know people driving 
> cross country complain about the long distances in Northern Ontario 
> and say it is the least interesting part of the trip.

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gopullman | 1 Oct 2009 02:18

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)


In a message dated 9/30/2009 7:49:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
will@... writes:

Everyone has different opinions on what's considered scenic. I've  
talked to people who like the scenery in Northern Ontario; 
=================================================================
I grew up in a big city (Washington), and lived in the DC area for 50  
years. Just the size of the wilderness up there fascinates me. It's hard for me  
to visualize a community with no road access. I'm a hiker who loves nature 
and  parks. That huge park north of Toronto-is it really all parkland, or 
are there  private inholdings, like in the Adirondack Park in New York?

In 1984, I took the dreadfully slow train from Senneterre to Cochrane. We  
stopped at a "station" that was no more than a crossing; no buildings of any 
 kind. A Native American got off the train. There was no one to meet him. 
As  the train started, he started walking.

Tom Hoffman
Pearisburg VA

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Don Thomas | 1 Oct 2009 07:11

Re: Re: Very early 1950's Ocean Limited schedule

CN's transcontinental line goes through Edmonton and CP's goes through Calgary. You could take passenger
trains on secondary lines from Winnipeg to Edmonton on CP and from Winnipeg to Calgary on CN, but no further
west on either company from those points. Both railways could take you between Calgary and Edmonton. If
she took CN all the way to Vancouver she wouldn't have gone through Calgary unless she took a very long detour.

Don Thomas

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If my grandma would have gone across Canada by CNR in 1950 (and she always used the CNR bcause she lived in
Bathurst and in Truro), the train would have gone through Calgary? I am pretty sure she told me that she had
never been to Calgary, only Edmonton.

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Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] Re: Very early 1950's Ocean Limited schedule
To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@...
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:05 AM

The Dominion was dieselized first between Calgary to Revelstoke after 1951 or so, and thereafter extended
to Vancouver. East of Calgary it was partially dieselized in 1954 and completely in 1955. (The Dominion
operated as two trains until introduction of The Canadian in 1955. Diesels for these services arrived in
two batches, the first in 1954 and the second not completed until 1955.)

Don Thomas

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Don Thomas | 1 Oct 2009 07:18

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

More likely the person who got off the train was a Native Canadian. Those trains exist in large part to serve
isolated communities reached from crossings in the woods.

Don Thomas

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  From: gopullman@... 
  To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@... 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

  In a message dated 9/30/2009 7:49:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
  will@... writes:

  Everyone has different opinions on what's considered scenic. I've 
  talked to people who like the scenery in Northern Ontario; 
  =================================================================
  I grew up in a big city (Washington), and lived in the DC area for 50 
  years. Just the size of the wilderness up there fascinates me. It's hard for me 
  to visualize a community with no road access. I'm a hiker who loves nature 
  and parks. That huge park north of Toronto-is it really all parkland, or 
  are there private inholdings, like in the Adirondack Park in New York?

  In 1984, I took the dreadfully slow train from Senneterre to Cochrane. We 
  stopped at a "station" that was no more than a crossing; no buildings of any 
  kind. A Native American got off the train. There was no one to meet him. 
  As the train started, he started walking.

  Tom Hoffman
  Pearisburg VA

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moonliter55 | 1 Oct 2009 07:24

Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

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> I'm a hiker who loves nature 
> and  parks. That huge park north of Toronto-is it really all >parkland, or 
> are there  private inholdings, like in the Adirondack Park in New >York?

I think you are referring to Algonquin Park. I do not think there is or was as much commercial development in
Algonquin as there was in  Adirondack Park. I was amazed when I first read about Paul Smith College with its
private electric line connecting to a mainline railroad all within the boundaries of the park. I'm sure
that there never was the opportunity of post-secondary education with in the boundaries of Algonquin Park.

There was mining in Algonquin from the 1880's to 1935 but were small in size or local quarries,nothing like
the scale of Benson Mines in Newton Falls,NY.

Logging was big in Algonquin Park and still takes place today but in a very controlled manner. 

The old Canada Atlantic Railway is gone but part of the ROW is still in use as a trail. The big railway to go was
the CN line. In the 1990's there were talks about running CP trains on the CN line through the park because of
the easier grades and so on. I remember the park lobby voicing their opinion against the idea.  I'm not
saying they prevented this from happening,perhaps the two railways could not reach an agreement. So
today CN is gone and trains run over the CP line. (Ottawa Valley Railway)

The towns of Brent and Kiosk are slowly reverting back to nature. As the landowners die their property
reverts back to park ownership.

Gerry Gaugl
Ottawa ON

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moonliter55 | 1 Oct 2009 09:32

Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., Steve Ellis
<meadowbrookdairy <at> ...> wrote:
>
>Does anyone also happen to have the Truro, Bathurst and Montreal >departure/arrival times for the
1967-68 Scotian? 

Scotian  Lv   Truro............19:10...........Arr 20:10
              Bathurst.........01:20...............13:33

         Arr  Mtl...............13:10..........Lv  23:30

Super    Lv   Mtl...............17:00..........Arr 17:00
              Ottawa............19:30..............15:00
              Capreol...........10:15..............06:55
              Armstrong.........14:35..............17:15
              Wpg...............23:30..............09:00
              Saskatoon.........09:25..............23:10
              Edmonton..........14:45..............15:30
              Jasper............19:05...............10:15
              Kamloops..........02:35...............01:40
          Arr Vancouver.........10:30............Lv 17:30

  
> "Nannie" always used to talk about seeing big-horned sheep and >mountain sheep, but I wonder how well
one could see them just from >the train (?).

On my trips I have seen lots of wildlife from the train and in my younger days travelling as a student on the
"Super",plenty of wildlife onboard the train!

>I keep thinking about a trip on The Canadian. I went from Vancouver >to Banff this year by car along Route 3

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moonliter55 | 1 Oct 2009 09:58

Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)

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<moonliter55 <at> ...> wrote:
>
 To Steve and others.

On my table of train times, the left side times are the westbound trip (read down) and the eastbound times are
on the right. (read from the bottom up)

Gerry Gaugl
Ottawa ON

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gopullman | 1 Oct 2009 11:33

Re: Maritime Express (was Re: Continental Limited schedule)


In a message dated 10/1/2009 1:18:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  thomasd <at> s
haw.ca writes:

More  likely the person who got off the train was a Native Canadian. Those 
trains  exist in large part to serve isolated communities reached from 
crossings in  the woods.
=============================================================
I thought "native American" was a generic term that applies to indigenous  
peoples of North America. It was coined to replace "Indian" which became  
politically incorrect at some point. 

That train (Seneterre to Cochrane) was dropped sometime in the nineties,  
due to track conditions. 

Tom Hoffman
Pearisburg VA

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