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W. A. (Dale) Wilson | 1 Sep 2009 01:06
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Re: CP Tuscan Red or Maroon


On 31-Aug-09, at 1:26 PM, Don Thomas wrote:

> CP didn't adopt Maroon until more than 30 years after it was  
> founded. If the early investors were responsible for it, they didn't  
> do so in the early days! When CP first built steel cars they tried  
> matching the paint to the existing varnished wood cars but found it  
> difficult to match.
>
> Possibly Maroon was used on some other CP property or printed matter  
> at the behest of some investors, but it's not likely. Company  
> management was generally left to get on with business without taking  
> advice from investors about operation matters. The investors had  
> bigger things to worry about.
>

The "CPR Red" apparently has its roots on the SOO Line. Brian West and  
Dennis Storzek know as much about this as anyone.

Dale Wilson  <dale.wilson@...>
Nickel Belt Rails, Box 483, Station "B", Sudbury, ON, P3E 4P6

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John Reay | 1 Sep 2009 01:09
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Re: Re: New Belleville station

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:12 +0000, bill937ca wrote:
> Good riddance to the old station.  You are quite often more comfortable outside in summer or winter.
> 
> Bill
> 

I hope the 1856 structure doesn't become neglected. The new station
building will probably located where the current structure that houses
the model railway club in basement is.

I don't find the station to be any worse than the Oshawa station, which
is far busier as it's shared with GO Transit. The biggest improvement
they could make in Belleville is to have Belleville Transit serve the
station.

...John Reay, Marmora, ON

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W. A. (Dale) Wilson | 1 Sep 2009 01:42
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Re: Re: New Belleville station


On 31-Aug-09, at 7:09 PM, John Reay wrote:

> I don't find the station to be any worse than the Oshawa station,  
> which
> is far busier as it's shared with GO Transit. The biggest improvement
> they could make in Belleville is to have Belleville Transit serve the
> station.
>

Interesting. Too bad municipalities don't seem to understand the  
function of their own transit systems as something to move people to  
all the places they can and should go. I suspect someone in the  
transit bureaucracy would claim there's not enough potential ridership  
so it's not worth trying. Given reasonable train frequency, it should  
be tried and volume might just grow.

The bureaucracy would have to be watched so as to avoid tacking a VIA  
station stop onto a very long and convoluted route which is already  
discouraging riders.

Dale Wilson  <dale.wilson@...>
Nickel Belt Rails, Box 483, Station "B", Sudbury, ON, P3E 4P6

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John Reay | 1 Sep 2009 01:48
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Re: Re: New Belleville station

On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 19:42 -0400, W. A. (Dale) Wilson wrote:

> Interesting. Too bad municipalities don't seem to understand the  
> function of their own transit systems as something to move people to  
> all the places they can and should go. I suspect someone in the  
> transit bureaucracy would claim there's not enough potential ridership  
> so it's not worth trying. Given reasonable train frequency, it should  
> be tried and volume might just grow.

It's worse than you think...the nearest transit stop is on College
Street, immediately north of the station. People have been killed
crossing the tracks to get to the station. Life is cheap in Belleville.

..John Reay, Marmora, ON

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Michael J. | 1 Sep 2009 02:03

Re: Re: New Belleville station

They should do what many cities with train service are doing: make an express
bus from a central point where several other bus routes meet and go straight to
the station.  With the soon to be increased VIA frequency at Belleville, start
planning the new route *now*.  Figure out how well the existing local bus
schedules can support a express train station route, etc.

I agree, the Oshawa station is tiny for the amount of foot traffic it receives.
 The last renovations should have added more capacity to the west and north,
even it it meant taking out some of the parking spots.  GO has plans to
eventually add a multi-level garage to the Oshawa location due to there is
nowhere else to add more parking; I'm sure VIA will be asked to help contribute
to the building and operational costs.   When the GO Clarington extension is
live, maybe additional parking won't be needed due to less commuters?   GO will
add a station in Bownmanville and has plans for a 2nd Oshawa station at one of
three preferred sites.  To balance the reduced GO traffic, I'm hoping the
additional VIA trains will get more people on the train and they can make use to
the vacated GO passengers.

Hopefully Belleville can make use of the old station for a good use.  It would
be a shame to let it sit idle like the old Brockville and Prescott stations do now.

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> On 31-Aug-09, at 7:09 PM, John Reay wrote:
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Alan Palmer | 1 Sep 2009 03:38
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Re: Re: New Belleville station

Brockville's station is still active as a VIA Station. Prescott's is
now used by the Grenville County Historical Society and owned by the
town.

I've gone to Belleville once via VIA Rail and it was... interesting.
What I wonder is are they going to make a hub station similar to the
states, or are they going to go pre-fab.

Isn't VIA building a new station in Smiths Falls as well?

Alan
Ottawa, ON

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Michael J.<mjacula@...> wrote:
> They should do what many cities with train service are doing: make an express
> bus from a central point where several other bus routes meet and go straight to
> the station.  With the soon to be increased VIA frequency at Belleville, start
> planning the new route *now*.  Figure out how well the existing local bus
> schedules can support a express train station route, etc.
>
> I agree, the Oshawa station is tiny for the amount of foot traffic it receives.
>  The last renovations should have added more capacity to the west and north,
> even it it meant taking out some of the parking spots.  GO has plans to
> eventually add a multi-level garage to the Oshawa location due to there is
> nowhere else to add more parking; I'm sure VIA will be asked to help contribute
> to the building and operational costs.   When the GO Clarington extension is
> live, maybe additional parking won't be needed due to less commuters?   GO will
> add a station in Bownmanville and has plans for a 2nd Oshawa station at one of
> three preferred sites.  To balance the reduced GO traffic, I'm hoping the
> additional VIA trains will get more people on the train and they can make use to
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Rich Stewart | 1 Sep 2009 03:41
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Re: Re: New Belleville station

Michael J. wrote:
> Hopefully Belleville can make use of the old station for a good use.  It would
> be a shame to let it sit idle like the old Brockville and Prescott stations do now.
>   
The Brockville station is not idle.  It is still used daily by VIA.

Rich

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Michael J. | 1 Sep 2009 03:46

Re: Re: New Belleville station

Brockville uses the newer one next door.   I've never seen anything going on in
the old one beside the newer one.   Good to see Prescott's is still used and
maintained. :-)

Yes, Smith falls is apparently getting a new one too.

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Michael Jacula
Whitby, ON

Quoting Alan Palmer <rrgeekdev@...>:

> Brockville's station is still active as a VIA Station. Prescott's is
> now used by the Grenville County Historical Society and owned by the
> town.
> 
> I've gone to Belleville once via VIA Rail and it was... interesting.
> What I wonder is are they going to make a hub station similar to the
> states, or are they going to go pre-fab.
> 
> Isn't VIA building a new station in Smiths Falls as well?
> 
> Alan
> Ottawa, ON

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Rich Stewart | 1 Sep 2009 04:23
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Re: Re: New Belleville station

Michael J. wrote:
> Brockville uses the newer one next door.   I've never seen anything going on in
> the old one beside the newer one.   Good to see Prescott's is still used and
> maintained. :-)
>
> Yes, Smith falls is apparently getting a new one too.
>
>   
The newer Brockville station you refer to has been in use as the 
Brockville station for approx. 135 years.  The older one you refer to, 
was the yard office, etc. and previous to that it was the CN Express 
building.

Rich

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stevelucas3 | 1 Sep 2009 04:35
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Re: CP Tuscan Red or Maroon

Did the CPR's head mechanical man H.B.Bowen (an expatriate Brit) have anything to do with the colour selection?

Steve Lucas.

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., Brian West <ovlov7 <at> ...> wrote:
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> Don & Group:
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> I remember being in the attendance of Omer Lavallee when he corrected someone to the fact that it was CPR
Maroon, not Tuscan Red. I believe that the CPR colour came from the Soo line, although several stories
exist regarding the origin of this colour including it being imported from England by some of the early
investors who liked one of the schemes there.
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> Cheers.
> 
> Brian West
> Belleville, ON
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> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Don Thomas <thomasd <at> ...> wrote:
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> From: Don Thomas <thomasd <at> ...>
> Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] CP Tuscan Red or Maroon
> To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@...
> Received: Monday, August 31, 2009, 12:02 PM
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