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Walter Pfefferle | 1 Jun 2009 01:15
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Today's catch - added 76 and 675

http://daytrips2.50webs.com/via053109.htm

Thanks for looking

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Walter Pfefferle
Ingersoll Ontario
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Latest Photos Online http://daytrips2.50webs.com/via053109.htm

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Christopher Clarke | 1 Jun 2009 01:18
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Re: Agawa Canyon Tour Train

www.canadianrailwayobservations.com
Click May 2009
Scroll down to "Joe Zika's CN-MacMillian Yard Report:"
You will read "On March 21 three ex Algoma Central coaches (5494, 5474 and 5529)........"   These
coaches are ex CN & VIA
 
Also click June 2009
Scroll down to "CN acquires the SKI TRAIN"
also scroll down to "The SKI TRAIN Arrives!"
 
All ex TEMPO coaches were built in 1968 by HS for CNR. 
 
Chris
Toronto
 
--- On Sun, 5/31/09, W. A. (Dale) Wilson <dale.wilson@...> wrote:

From: W. A. (Dale) Wilson <dale.wilson@...>
Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] Agawa Canyon Tour Train
To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@...
Received: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 6:58 PM

On 31-May-09, at 6:31 PM, Eric Gagnon wrote:

>
>
> While reading my Saturday morning newspaper I see an ad for the 
> Agawa Canyon tour train, including a photo of the DRGW Ski Train 
> consist. Not necessarily taken in Ontario, perhaps it's a stock 
> photo. When is this consists going into service out of the Sault? Is
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Roman Litarchuk | 1 Jun 2009 06:55
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Re: Agawa Canyon Tour Train

01.06.09, 02:52, "www.NiagaraRails.com - Paul Duncan"
<loco@...>: 
>  
>  What memories being pulled by the 1700's and the smell of the brakes 
>  being well used, as opposed to those black and red things I can just imagine...

Funny you should mention the brakes, those "black and red things" don't have the best safety record with
them: 
www.vancouversun.com/news/Inadequate+brakes+cited+deadly+derailment/1639827/story.html

Lets just hope the Agawa Canyon patrons don't hear about this and stop riding the train. Imagine the panic!

Seriously, what are the chances that unit was used on the old ACR?

Roman Litarchuk, Saskatoon, SK
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Canadian Rail News: http://tinyurl.com/CND-CRO

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Ross Bligh | 1 Jun 2009 06:58

Re: Re: Alternate route for Amtrak to Vancouver for high speed?? and improved border less customs delays

Easy question #1: How old is the bridge?

Harder question #2: What is the expected service life of the  
structure? (any civil types hanging around here?)

I too have wondered about this issue. I thought about the possibility  
of having a single station that straddled the border, with both  
border services sharing the building. Using a northbound scenario,  
once the train stops, three things are going to happen:

1. A few folks will choose to remain in the US. No customs, or  
immigration, just leave the platform still in the States.
2. Some people will undoubtedly leave the train and head into Canada  
from the border. Take your bags, through the system you go, and meet  
up with someone who drove to pick you up--or a bus to Cloverdale, or  
something.
3. This leaves those on the train--there will now be fewer of them.  
They might have to leave the train with their stuff and return, but  
so be it. With a greater number of customs and immigration personnel  
at the border, there is economy of scale in operation. Not that  
difficult to schedule as you know exactly when the train is coming-- 
perhaps close a lane or two of traffic and move those folks over to  
the train for a short period. Or something.
4. Doing all of the clearance at the border would allow you to add an  
intermediate stop at Scott Road, and free up some space at Pacific  
Central for other purposes.
5. Southbound--getting on at Scott Road--no problem. If you want to  
get on the train at the border, you would just have to ensure that  
you arrive early enough to clear C and I on your own.
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Don Thomas | 1 Jun 2009 07:19
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Re: Re: Alternate route for Amtrak to Vancouver for high speed?? and improved border less customs delays

Ross, you treat getting out of the train with your luggage for inspection as a minor inconvenience. But that
is really no different from changing trains at the border. High speed rail it's not.

Don Thomas

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  From: Ross Bligh 
  To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@... 
  Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 10:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [CanPassRail] Re: Alternate route for Amtrak to Vancouver for high speed?? and improved
border less customs delays

  Easy question #1: How old is the bridge?

  Harder question #2: What is the expected service life of the 
  structure? (any civil types hanging around here?)

  I too have wondered about this issue. I thought about the possibility 
  of having a single station that straddled the border, with both 
  border services sharing the building. Using a northbound scenario, 
  once the train stops, three things are going to happen:

  1. A few folks will choose to remain in the US. No customs, or 
  immigration, just leave the platform still in the States.
  2. Some people will undoubtedly leave the train and head into Canada 
  from the border. Take your bags, through the system you go, and meet 
  up with someone who drove to pick you up--or a bus to Cloverdale, or 
  something.
  3. This leaves those on the train--there will now be fewer of them. 
  They might have to leave the train with their stuff and return, but
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Don Thomas | 1 Jun 2009 07:29
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Re: Re: The Tyee: The Myth of High-Speed Rail for BC - Sealed cars

You really are referring to a sealed train which is much less oppressive than a sealed car

If the train operated at night as it did in the past, there would be little local traffic. Obviously, running
a train that spurned local passengers would not deprive anybody of a service they are already receiving
since there hasn't been any in 15 years. However the U.S. authorities would have no reason to welcome and
inspect a train that provided nothing to their country.

Don Thomas

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  To: Canadian-Passenger-Rail@... 
  Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 11:53 PM
  Subject: [CanPassRail] Re: The Tyee: The Myth of High-Speed Rail for BC - Sealed cars

  > Sealed cars on long distance trains would be very unlikely to attract > passengers. What distance were you
contemplating for these?

  This was for the train across northern Maine from Montreal to New Brunswick, the sealed cars would for
through passengers, so they would only have to clear customs once (avoiding the stop reentering Canada),
or if we get a really good deal letting them bypass any border controls at all. 

  Actually, I wonder if there would be enough demand to justify any stops in teh US at all on this train?

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fortsheppard | 1 Jun 2009 07:32
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OS: VIA #2, Vancouver, BC, May 31, 2009

OS: VIA #2, Vancouver, BC, May 31, 2009
Departed on time at 20:30

VIA F40PH-2 6424
VIA F40PH-2 6458

Baggage 8605
Coach 8100
Coach 8109
Skyline 8516
Bliss Manor
Thompson Manor
Monck Manor
Skyline 8501
Diner Palliser
Franklin Manor
Hearne Manor
Abbot Manor
Chateau Salaberry
Chateau Brule
Chateau Marquette
Chateau Roberval
Chateau Lemoyne
Skyline 8510
Diner Imperial
Macdonald Manor
Craig Manor
Draper Manor
Tremblant Park
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Hall G | 1 Jun 2009 07:57
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Alternate route for Amtrak to Vancouver


I just want to clarify Tom that my suggestion for a station on the US side of the border was not that I wanted the
train to terminate at Blaine instead of Vancouver, but that it would allow many people to be able to get off
to go to other areas of the Metro Vancouver area which for the most of the population is not near the downtown
Vancouver train station, without having to go downtown and them come back again.
And perhaps until the customs issue is sorted the train could terminate in Blaine and a bus connection be
made to Downtown Vancouver until such time as the customs issue funding is sorted out and the train could
run into Vancouver.

Vehicle wait times at the local borders often are running 1 to 2 or 3 hours driving down during the busier
periods. Any way to take a train and not have to wait so long would be great. Being able to walk south past the
vehicle line up and enjoy a coffee, or meal, or sitting looking out at the Ocean while waiting for the train
to Seattle, sure beats waiting in traffic and then the long drive to Seattle.

I was pointing out that "they" had been looking at alternate ideas for the train, I was not suggesting the
stop at the Skytrain or a bus downtown but Amtrak and the committee the councilor was a part of was looking at
the various alternate means to speed up the train, I was simply pointing out the ideas and thoughts they had
been exploring. Fraser River Bridge delays are an issue with the train schedule. And as I said transfering
to bus or Skytrain would not be popular with tourists. 

My key points are that in addition a stop could be made just south of the border (as well as the train still
running into Vancouver) is that for locals it makes it a lot more feasible to take the train and also reduces
the wait times for everyone else that gets on or off the train in Vancouver as less people would have to be
processed in Vancouver through Customs. If the 2nd train begins service it would see much greater useage
from Metro Vancouver, in,making it more feasible to do an easy day trip. Board from Metro Vancouver ride
south spend the day and come back at night. The time it takes to clear customs walking through the border
would be greatly reduced as they have many more agents available and the full border facilities for
processing people. They could close a lane or 2 to vehicl
 e traffic at train time to be able to improve the flow of train pedestrian traffic and enourage more people to
go green and take the train instead of driving. For
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chaloner2002 | 1 Jun 2009 09:35

PLN VIA 693 Togo Sub.

Via 693 at Grandview, MB. with the time of 02:22 hrs. out of Winnipeg.
Remember there is no crew change at Dauphin.

         Clayton Chaloner

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www.NiagaraRails.com - Paul Duncan | 1 Jun 2009 10:42
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Re: Agawa Canyon Tour Train

At 12:55 AM 6/1/2009, you wrote:

>01.06.09, 02:52, "www.NiagaraRails.com - Paul Duncan" 
><<mailto:loco%40niagararails.com>loco@...>:
> >
> > What memories being pulled by the 1700's and the smell of the brakes
> > being well used, as opposed to those black and red things I can 
> just imagine...
>
>Funny you should mention the brakes, those "black and red things" 
>don't have the best safety record with them:
>www.vancouversun.com/news/Inadequate+brakes+cited+deadly+derailment/1639827/story.html
>
>Lets just hope the Agawa Canyon patrons don't hear about this and 
>stop riding the train. Imagine the panic!
>
>Seriously, what are the chances that unit was used on the old ACR?

I smelled the breaks particularly on the way north.

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