Terry | 1 Sep 01:46 2007
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Photo's OS: Via #72 arriving London station

A few pictures of Via #72 arriving in London running about 15 minutes 
late with the 904 leading and 6 LRC cars.  Terry

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/viahogger/SSPX0046.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/viahogger/SSPX0048.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/viahogger/SSPX0049.jpg

Terry Brennan
Waterdown,ON
http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/viahogger/

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Walter Pfefferle | 1 Sep 02:03 2007
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OS: VIA 73 Carew

Caught 73 pounding across the diamond at Carew in Woodstock yesterday.

http://railfan.thegrebs.com/VIA/via910a_004

Seems to be missing the bug screen on both sides.

Walter
Ingersoll Ontario
Web Site http://geocities.com/railpast
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Ken V | 1 Sep 04:19 2007
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Re: OS: VIA 73 Carew

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., "Walter Pfefferle" 
<wpfefferle <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Caught 73 pounding across the diamond at Carew in Woodstock
> yesterday.
> 
> Seems to be missing the bug screen on both sides.
> 
I noticed that in the shots of 904 posted by Colin <ont2102> 
yesterday. I wonder what's happened to them.

Ken Voelker, Toronto

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fortsheppard | 1 Sep 07:11 2007
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OS: VIA #2, Vancouver, BC, August 31, 2007

OS: VIA #2, Vancouver, BC, August 31, 2007
Departed 35 minutes late at 18:05.

VIA F40PH-2 6431
VIA F40PH-2 6439
VIA F40PH-2 6446

Chateau Argenson d/h
Coach 8125 d/h
Baggage 8613
Coach 8103
Coach 8106
Skyline 8507
Cornwall Manor
Fraser Manor
Brock Manor
Skyline 8517
Diner Frontenac
Cameron Manor
Abbot Manor
Thompson Manor
Chateau Roberval
Lorne Manor
Chateau Lauzon
Skyline 8515
Diner Kent
Sherwood Manor
Monck Manor
Burton Manor
Waterton Park
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Canadian | 1 Sep 09:32 2007
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Paul Cordingley | 1 Sep 15:06 2007

Re: Re:Ocean trip report


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dale Wilson" <dale.wilson@...>
> My personal experience with rail
> travel was largely with CPR, and occasional exposure to pool trains
> on CN lines between Toronto and Kingston and my memories seem to say
> that when you got aboard a passenger train whether as a coach or
> first class passenger, with extremely few exceptions, the reception
> you got from employees was uniform, expected and pleasing.
> Am I remembering correctly? Do others have the same sort of memories?

Gosh, Dale I would say just the reverse:-)

I think you would have to go back to 1962 or earlier to really find a 
"service mentality" - and even that is probably more folklore than fact.

My impressions based on riding from the late 60's to today:

Pre-VIA, I don't believe there was any formal training for anyone in the 
passenger side of the railways. Whatever standards prevailed were based on 
tradition rather than a practiced "system", and flavoured with a fair bit of 
cynicism based on costcutting and cutbacks.  There may have been some 
practical training when people were hired, but no quality control process or 
inspection process to monitor performance against standards.

Coach passengers interacted mostly with the running trade crews, who were 
drawn from freight train service. By virtue of their seniority they were 
"fireproof" and many saw passenger jobs as an entitlement, a reward for past 
service in the freight pool. These guys were "salt of the earth" and as I 
remember them were mostly cut from the Stompin' Tom Connors mould. Their 
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db5355 | 1 Sep 15:04 2007

OS VIA #70 and #84

Saturday September 1, 2007
London VIA Station
OS #70 arrive 0:12L, dep 0:26L Track 1
6418  F40PH-2
8620  HEP-I Baggage
4001  HEP-II Club
4119  HEP-II Coach
4113  HEP-II Coach
4116  HEP-II Coach
4106  HEP-II Coach
4114  HEP-II Coach
4112  HEP-II Coach
(8 cars)

OS #84 arrive 0:38L, dep 0:31L Track 2
908   P42DC
3464  LRC Club
3468  LRC Club
3355  LRC Coach
3327  LRC Coach
3305  LRC Coach
(5 cars)

Doug Bardeau
London, ON

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Dale Wilson | 1 Sep 16:28 2007
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Re: Re:Ocean trip report

>  > My personal experience with rail travel was largely with CPR, and 
>occasional >exposure to pool trains on CN lines between Toronto and 
>Kingston and my >memories seem to say that when you got aboard a 
>passenger train whether as a coach >or first class passenger, with 
>extremely few exceptions, the reception  you got from >employees was 
>uniform, expected and pleasing.
>>  Am I remembering correctly? Do others have the same sort of memories?
>
>Gosh, Dale I would say just the reverse:-)

My memories go back to a time when the service mentality was fact, 
beginning mostly from about 1945 onwards and in the late 1950s I 
travelled [on a pass] about 4,000 miles a year on The Dominion back 
and forth to university.

>I think you would have to go back to 1962 or earlier to really find a
>"service mentality" - and even that is probably more folklore than fact.
>
>My impressions based on riding from the late 60's to today:
>
>Pre-VIA, I don't believe there was any formal training for anyone in the
>passenger side of the railways. Whatever standards prevailed were based on
>tradition rather than a practiced "system", and flavoured with a fair bit of
>cynicism based on costcutting and cutbacks. There may have been some
>practical training when people were hired, but no quality control process or
>inspection process to monitor performance against standards.

I don't collect such things but there were a huge number of specific 
manuals and instructions on 'how to' carry on one's job and people to 
supervise that it was done that way.
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Lyman Holmes | 1 Sep 22:47 2007
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Re:Ocean trip report

--- In Canadian-Passenger-Rail@..., Dale Wilson 
<dale.wilson <at> ...> wrote:
>
> Something that has needed addressing since VIA's inception is a 
> performance standard that a passenger could unfailingly expect each 
> and every time he/she travelled. My personal experience with rail 
> travel was largely with CPR, and occasional exposure to pool trains 
> on CN lines between Toronto and Kingston and my memories seem to 
say 
> that when you got aboard a passenger train whether as a coach or 
> first class passenger, with extremely few exceptions, the reception 
> you got from employees was uniform, expected and pleasing.
> 
> Am I remembering correctly? Do others have the same sort of 
memories?
> -- 
I certainly didn't ride CP and CN as often as some on the list but 
here is what I can recall from the late 1960s and 1970s.

On the CP Atlantic, service was courteous and businesslike.  I would 
not call the service as being overly friendly.  Employees seemed to 
be a bit reserved.  Later as I got to know some of the conductors 
personally, they were a lot more friendly but it had nothing to do 
with whether the train was being operated by CP or VIA. 

On CN mainline passenger trains in Newfoundland, service was very 
courteous and friendly.  They were pleased to have you on their 
train.  My limited experience on CN branchline mixed trains happened 
to be with a crew that was not friendly but I regard that as an 
aberration. 
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darrenmullin84 | 2 Sep 07:35 2007
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Aldershot

I took a trip to Toronto today departing from Aldershot on Via 72.  
Aperently a new platform with 2 additional tracks has been built 
doubeling the the station capacity for passenger traffic.  I know more 
go trains have been addeed to Aldershot, does anyone know what the long 
term plans are for the station.  Will there be more Go service to 
Hamilton?

Darren

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Gmane